Everyone knows Donald Trump is the reason.Originally Posted by sturg33
Everyone knows Donald Trump is the reason.
This administration has been an absolute disaster. Glad we got this stuffed down the throats of Americans. Just keep screwing the middle class.
Natural Immunity Croc
AerchAngel (10-15-2013), FreemanFan (11-29-2013)
Obamacare is so great that the unions don't even want it. Supposedly in this 15% government vacation deal, they get a delay on the greatness that is Obamacare. So nice of Obama and the Dems to take care of their friends but say screw the American people.
AerchAngel (10-15-2013)
It is certainly not ending pretty in his second term.
Ivermectin Man
For them its exactly what they wanted. They have created more citizens that will vote for them. Just an absolute disaster for the future of this country.
Natural Immunity Croc
It's been Boehner's office and caucus pushing for this actually.
Wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the reasons for stalled negotiations.
Forever Fredi
If so, I figured to have read it somewhere. Maybe i've missed it?
Ivermectin Man
Glenn Beck and Breitbart's website ripped Boehner.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ies-97634.html
Forever Fredi
Ah. Secret documents. I see it now. Why on Earth either party thought Hill subsidies was a good idea at all is beyond me, but at least one side woke the hell up.
Plus, Glenn Beck is an idiot.
Ivermectin Man
57 - what are your thoughts on the first few weeks of ACA... First impressions? Looking good? Needs some work? All the stories about huge premiums just BS?
I'm genuinely curious of your thoughts on this one. Try not to link me to HuffPo
I tried. He will not directly answer the questions.
Ivermectin Man
My solid impressions on how it is going will not come until there is data to see rather than random reports.
Looking good? - yes there are many things that have come from the ACA that will be here 100 years from now
Needs some work? - certainly
Premiums? no I dont think they are all BS. I learned last week it varies drastically from state to state. Also learned that as time goes on it is expected to even out
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sturg last night i was wondering -- remember the impressive 19-20 Libertarian we saw last year around election time from a TV show? Do you know if he has run for office? Massachussits -- right? Have you followed his progress?
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, a 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.
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Wow, these stories are uber similar to the stories posted here and the constant loop of talk radio. Once again, scratch the surface and one sees a different picture
Here more boring data / events or what used to be called news---
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/insi..._on_obamacare/
Rates here will be the same inside the exchange as outside it. Your argument is invalid
where is here?
who's arguing?
This is from the heritage foundation, so it should be vetted... But it seems to line up with some objective research I've been reading
But, it's pretty ugly.
Looks like Colorado and RI come out of it very well. Everyone else... yikes
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...insurance-fare
Rural ga. Pointing out that your opinion or "anecdote" isn't as true as you would have us believe .
The Obama Administration is counting on as many as 7 million Americans, including 2.7 million young people, to enroll in health insurance coverage on the state and federal ObamaCare exchanges. Based on early numbers, however, it appears that they’ll fall far short of that number, which could put the heart of the law is very real jeopardy.
Millward Brown Digital (formerly known as Compete), a company that tracks web traffic, broke down the numbers from the first week the ObamaCare health insurance exchanges were online. Based on the traffic and reports of successful enrollees, they note that just 1% of people who visited the exchange websites actually enrolled.
“Over the course of Obamacare’s first week, 9.5 million people visited healthcare.gov, the federal government’s official healthcare website and the de facto exchange for residents of two thirds of the states,” wrote Matt Pace at the company’s blog. “In addition, the 16 operational state-run exchanges combined to attract over 3.1 million visitors during the same period.”
“In total, 11.3 million consumers visited the federal and state exchanges during their first week of operation,” he explained. “Unfortunately, what started as a fire hose of interest, resulted in only a small trickle of actual healthcare enrollments.”
Pace noted that 27% of those who visited the site, some 214,000 people, were able to register an account, but the actual enrollment numbers are, well, pathetic.
“In the end, just 36,000 consumers, or 1% of all those who attempted to register for the federal exchange, successfully enrolled in Obamacare,” wrote Pace, noting that website wasn’t ready for the heavy traffic that the site receive, which he equated to the “daily traffic on Target.com.”
Poor coding and design as well as a decision to put income verification at the start of the enrollment process, thus allowing potential enrollees to see subsidy eligibility so they wouldn’t be scared off by rate shock, were other reasons the federal ObamaCare exchange website experienced problems.
Here’s a chart provided by Millward Brown Digital which shows the madness:
Jim Geraghty explained yesterday that the bleak enrollment numbers means that ObamaCare is on pace to get 828,000 enrollments by the time the open enrollment period ends on March 31, 2014. The Obama Administration anticipated 494,620 enrollments by the end of October, the first month the exchanges were open. Let that sink in for a moment.
“According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, ‘Over 47 million nonelderly Americans were uninsured in 2012,’” noted Geraghty. “So the exchanges are on pace to get 1.7 percent of the uninsured with completed enrollment for insurance.”
But the 828,000 enrollments, per Geraghty’s math, are key to the argument of ObamaCare is an unworkable law. That number is 6.12 million short of the enrollments needed to make ObamaCare “work,” depending on your definition of that word in relation to the law.
If the numbers don’t increase at a substantial pace, it could lead to what some insurance experts call a “death spiral,” insurance rates would necessarily skyrocket for those who have coverage on the individual health insurance market, which is something The Economist recently noted.
“Obamacare’s main goal is to expand access to cheap insurance. It offers subsidies to those who cannot afford it and bars insurers from charging people more because they are sick,” the magazine explained. “The sick who lack insurance will probably keep trying to enroll. The young and healthy may give up more quickly, if it is too difficult.”
“And if they do, the insurance firms that offer policies via the exchanges will find that their pool of customers is disproportionately sick and costly to cover,” the magazine continued. “This may spur them to raise prices for everyone, making the young and healthy even less likely to enroll, despite the small fines they would have to pay if they lack insurance.”
“A death spiral could follow,” they added.
Counting on the individual mandate to get people to sign-up for health insurance coverage may not be enough to sway the uninsured or those who’ve been shifted to the exchanges. Remember, many Americans aren’t going to be eligible for subsidies because they make too much money and some will be discouraged from paying for a policy that is substantially more expensive than pre-ObamaCare rates, whether the decision is personal finance or buying something they don’t think they need.
It’s too early to say with any certainty that this will happen. Enrollments could pick-up the pace and the Obama Administration could reach their goals. But the early numbers indicate that ObamaCare is going to implode.
If the rates are the same - then what is the problem? The exchanges are set up for those without access to coverage / or available coverage is really expensive because they are not being included in a group plan ( as in a group policy provided by one's employer) . Being the same to me means if you have coverage you would keep it (like me and mine) and those just entering the system are getting a square(er) shake (little Raymond Chandler jargon :)
Reading says this was the case with SS and Medicare. When Google started GMail it was by invitation only so they could manage the onslaught . If the biggest problem with this law is IT -- I see the prediction of implosion as valid as Romneys victory and "we will be greeted as liberators" . Funny too, these are the same predictors.
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