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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    That's always the issue with the international guys. One only need to look up the name "Jackson Melian." It's difficult enough to figure out the ceiling of an 18-year-old American high school kid.
    These are the types of high upside risks that you have to be aggressive about taking, or else you are going to end up with a team full of role players and not win much.

    When this class comes in, the Braves are going to be absolutely loaded with high end talent and hopefully will be adding more through the draft in 2017. The high end guys that I can think of off the top of my head including the high end J2 signees that are projected to be signed by Atlanta: Dansby Swanson, Ozzie Albies, Sean Newcomb, Kolby Allard, Toukie Toussaint, Ian Anderson, Mike Soroka, Max Fried, Joey Wentz, Kyle Muller, Austin Riley, Ronald Acuna, Braxton Davidson, Kevin Maitan, Yunier Severino, Abraham Gutierrez, Brett Cleveland, AJ Minter, and Rio Ruiz.

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    my list of prospects:
    top 10- Swanson
    top 20- Albies
    top 30- Newcomb
    top 100- Blair (if eligible), Anderson, Allard
    top 150 (and maybe top 100)- Touki, Soroka, Maitan, Acuna
    top 200- Povse, Muller, Wentz, Cumberland (im high on him lol), Davidson, Riley, Peterson, Cruz, Pache, Randy Ventura (Cruz/Pache/Ventura maybe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravescountry View Post
    my list of prospects:
    top 10- Swanson
    top 20- Albies
    top 30- Newcomb
    top 100- Blair (if eligible), Anderson, Allard
    top 150 (and maybe top 100)- Touki, Soroka, Maitan, Acuna
    top 200- Povse, Muller, Wentz, Cumberland (im high on him lol), Davidson, Riley, Peterson, Cruz, Pache, Randy Ventura (Cruz/Pache/Ventura maybe)
    I'm high on Cumberland too, if he can just be a Piazza level catcher I think his bat will carry him to MLB for a long career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravos4evr View Post
    I'm high on Cumberland too, if he can just be a Piazza level catcher I think his bat will carry him to MLB for a long career.
    Piazza was a very underrated catcher. Lots of statistical evidence that he was a net positive behind the plate.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...han-a-big-bat/

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    Baseball America: Kevin Maitan Is Venezuela's Next Great Prospect

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Piazza was a very underrated catcher. Lots of statistical evidence that he was a net positive behind the plate.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...han-a-big-bat/
    That doesn't surprise me at all. As the article stated he played in a time when caught stealing was still the #1 thing people looked at for catcher defense when in reality it's likely the least valuable part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    That doesn't surprise me at all. As the article stated he played in a time when caught stealing was still the #1 thing people looked at for catcher defense when in reality it's likely the least valuable part.
    Was stealing more prevalent in those days? Did more teams take risks back then compared to today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Was stealing more prevalent in those days? Did more teams take risks back then compared to today?
    Not sure but stealing was less valuable in the steroid era. So even if they did steal more it didn't matter as much as it does today and the 80's where power was down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravescountry View Post
    my list of prospects:
    top 10- Swanson
    top 20- Albies
    top 30- Newcomb
    top 100- Blair (if eligible), Anderson, Allard
    top 150 (and maybe top 100)- Touki, Soroka, Maitan, Acuna
    top 200- Povse, Muller, Wentz, Cumberland (im high on him lol), Davidson, Riley, Peterson, Cruz, Pache, Randy Ventura (Cruz/Pache/Ventura maybe)
    ...and fried

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawkchop View Post
    ...and fried
    Honestly, it is kind of cool to think that there is such good depth now that you can actually forget a guy like Fried..

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    Fangraphs' July 2 rankings out: http://www.fangraphs.com/scoutboard....type=0&pos=all

    Guys we are favored for:

    1. Kevin Maitan
    16. Yunior Severino
    19. Juan Contreras
    23. Abrahan Gutierrez

    They only ranked the top 25 but also lists Livan Soto and Yenci Pena in the next best available group. Yefri Del Rosario is 21 and we've been linked to him some.

    Crazy but they predict the Padres to sign their 2-5 ranked players, plus 9 and 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Honestly, it is kind of cool to think that there is such good depth now that you can actually forget a guy like Fried..
    Even cooler that our top pitcher just a year or two ago was omitted, too: Sims.

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    Updated total rankings --

    Baseball America

    1. INF Kevin Maitan
    8. INF Yunior Severino
    15. C Abrahan Gutierrez
    16. INF Livan Soto
    26. RHP Yefri Del Rosario

    MLB.com

    1. INF Kevin Maitain
    18. C Abrahan Gutierrez
    19. INF Yunior Severino
    22. INF Yenci Pena
    24. INF Livan Soto
    26. RHP Juan Contreras

    Fangraphs:

    1. INF Kevin Maitan
    16. INF Yunior Severino
    19. RHP Juan Contreras
    21. RHP Yefri Del Rosario
    23. C Abrahan Gutierrez

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    The way Pache and Cruz are coming out of the gate, I am even more excited about what are scouts are seeing. I know it is very early and small sample size, but they are on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Fangraphs' July 2 rankings out: http://www.fangraphs.com/scoutboard....type=0&pos=all

    Guys we are favored for:

    1. Kevin Maitan
    16. Yunior Severino
    19. Juan Contreras
    23. Abrahan Gutierrez

    They only ranked the top 25 but also lists Livan Soto and Yenci Pena in the next best available group. Yefri Del Rosario is 21 and we've been linked to him some.

    Crazy but they predict the Padres to sign their 2-5 ranked players, plus 9 and 11.
    Guiterrez has really fallen in some of these rankings, people were talking about him like he was a phenom a year ago.

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    Armenteros at 14, wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Updated total rankings --

    Baseball America

    1. INF Kevin Maitan
    8. INF Yunior Severino
    15. C Abrahan Gutierrez
    16. INF Livan Soto
    26. RHP Yefri Del Rosario

    MLB.com

    1. INF Kevin Maitain
    18. C Abrahan Gutierrez
    19. INF Yunior Severino
    22. INF Yenci Pena
    24. INF Livan Soto
    26. RHP Juan Contreras

    Fangraphs:

    1. INF Kevin Maitan
    16. INF Yunior Severino
    19. RHP Juan Contreras
    21. RHP Yefri Del Rosario
    23. C Abrahan Gutierrez
    Ben Badler is now saying that he thinks Del Rosario will sign with Cleveland, but nothing is set in stone.

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    Some notes from the Ben Badler chat today:

    Bernie (Beach): Do you think any of the high profile Cuban players are in play for the Braves?

    Ben Badler: Not immediately on July 2, but as the signing period goes on, the Braves are going to be one of the few teams that can still spend money. The people handling some of these Cuban players are, I think/hope, eventually going to realize they can't just coerce teams into meeting some of their outrageous asking prices and will come back to reality.

    Bryan (New York): Delvin Perez and Kevin Maitan. Right now who is the better prospect and who would you rather have?

    Ben Badler: I'd rather have Maitan.

    Dave (DC): If Maitan is advanced as they say and shows well this Fall, any chance he gets sent to LoA next year for his age 17 season?

    Ben Badler: I don't think so. Even if he does sign with the Braves, who are now one of the most aggressive teams in terms of first-year assignments for their Latin American signings, that would be super super aggressive. The Blue Jays skipped Vladimir Guerrero Jr. over the GCL and put him in the Appy League this year, and I could see something like that for Maitan if someone really wanted to push him. But what's the rush?

    Andrew (Chicago): Any idea as to how the international signing period is going to change? The current system just seems to lead to rotating teams not being able to sign players.

    Ben Badler: I've asked a bunch of different people who would know about whether we're getting a draft or sticking with the bonus pools, and the information is very mixed. But what's obvious is a.) the owners want a system that controls their costs, and b.) the union is willing, maybe even eager, to sell out the rights of international players (or draft picks, minor leaguers... really anyone not on the 40-man roster) to get something back from MLB in the negotiation. So even if there's no international draft, I would expect a stricter system where either you aren't allowed to go over your bonus pool period or where the penalties are so outrageous that teams won't go over any more.

    Jay (GA): Thoughts on Randy Ventura?

    Ben Badler: He can fly. He's probably even faster than Derian Cruz. He's just really, really small. Want to see him do more beyond the DSL first.

    Neal (Houston): Does it seem like the Braves farm system has massively underperformed this year when you consider the top guys like Albies, Ruiz, Riley, Sims, Swanson, Davidson, Newcomb,Toussaint, Fried, etc., have all ranged from average to terrible. Maybe the Braves system is overranked?

    Ben Badler: I wouldn't put Albies or Swanson in that class. Albies skipped a level, was excellent in Double-A and got to Triple-A as a teenager. Swanson was excellent in High-A and is in Double-A his first year out of the draft, and he's easily one of the top 15-20 prospects in baseball, being conservative. We've talked plenty about how much risk is in that system because of all the high-risk arms they have, and that's certainly shown this year, but that's still one of the better farm systems in the game.

    dave (grayson, ga): Any idea if teams going over their bonus pools are going to trade away their bonus slots?

    Ben Badler: It makes sense to be open to it if you can get something useful in return. The problem is the trade value of the international slots is low to start with, then you have a reduced trade market this year with 10 teams under the penalty and five going over who won't need to trade for slot values either (unless they're worried about softening the overage tax), so it's going to be tough to get much back if you do want to trade them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawkchop View Post
    ...and fried
    I feel stupid for missing arguably my favorite prospect.. I'm sorry @Fried.
    He'd be in top 150 and maybe top 100 if he continues to do as well as today
    And Sims is probably top 200
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Crazy but they predict the Padres to sign their 2-5 ranked players, plus 9 and 11.
    Padres system will become top 10 really quickly if they sign all these prospects...

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