The social contract is constantly changing. It changes every time there is a new law enacted. "We the People" have agreed to a broad set of guidelines that define our government. Does that mean that every "person" agrees with every element of that contract? Certainly not. But in order to reap the benefits of the freedoms we all enjoy, we cannot fully enjoy total liberty in our actions. Like we were all told during the Vietnam War, "America, love it or leave it." I think everyone across the spectrum has become overly sensitized to anything that makes them remotely uncomfortable and if we are going to unite as a country, that is going to have to change. If we don't, let's just end the experiment in 2026 and say it was a great 250-year run.
I believe thethe is employing the kind of hyperbole I don't like when he's using the term tyranny in this instance.
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jpx7 (12-09-2016)
Back to my reason for posting the op-ed, to my leftist friends bitching about Trump and railing against Trump supporters, don't blame them, blame yourselves. You pushed too far and too fast and with little or no regard for those who aren't in lockstep with your views and you got blowback. You screwed up. And if you think doubling down, and Keith Ellison, and Stein recounts, and getting back on the Bernie bandwagon are going to be your solutions, well, I just don't think you get it.
I'm just guessing here...
But if Mike Pence went into a gay bar and the bar tender refused to serve him... many on here would applaud.
I too, would support the bar tender's right to refuse service.
Agreed, it changes. My point, don't make it sound like "well you agreed to this when you poured your life savings into your bakery." The "this" has changed.
And can we ever "fully enjoy all our individual freedoms" where ever and whenever we want? I think I'm free to buy non-halal meat but why should I ever think that I must be able to get it at the Muslim butcher shop?
The administration's arguments in Obergfelt and in ACA challenges (the nuns for instance) give merit to his choice.
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jpx7 (12-09-2016)
" The presidential election was so close that many factors were “but-for” causes of Donald Trump’s victory. One that’s been mostly overlooked is Trump’s surprising success with religious voters "
no, the vote (+2.7M Clinton ) / election ( Trump +70 ) really wasn't that close
until I see exit poll data showing otherwise I maintain if anything this election was the marginalization of "religious voters" , their issues and their boots on the ground sway
witness, Trump's patronized wink and nod support of their causes.
Kinda gives this discussion a 2 AM college dorm room feel
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The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Hawk (12-09-2016)
I don't doubt that there are business owners who are uncomfortable working with same-sex couples. I used to bartend at a biker bar and every time an African-American walked in, I got nervous that there was going to be a throw-down. Doesn't make me racist, but I sure wished those guys would have chosen another bar. And maybe county clerks should have given same-sex couples a copy of the Yellow Pages with the florist and baker sections highlighted to avoid some of the confrontations. Having always enjoyed the advantages of being a white male (and yes guys, we do have advantages), I haven't been on the other side of the equation so I'm totally unqualified to judge those individuals who sought those confrontations. No doubt they caused a backlash however and a little sensitivity may have been in order.
jpx7 (12-09-2016)
jpx7 (12-09-2016)
I feel for you Dane, but you cannot force people to do something they don't want. They say they will make a cake but not put anything else on it that goes against their beliefs. Personally I would baked the cake with what you want because it does not hurt me in any way. You just have to respect people and their opinions. Being black, I get dissed even today in this town and you know what, I would and have done the same thing you've mentioned, go elsewhere.
Just like Jews and swatzikas
Just like Muslims and pork
Just like Mormons and their many taboos
The Democrats will not touch those three things but if it is the gay community they will be all up in arms about it and will punish you if you do not do what they want you to do against your wishes.
Pushing acceptance in society too quickly will make it worse, not better.
acesfull86 (12-09-2016)