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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    4-5 million a year for Uggla is a good deal.
    Not really, he's only heading in 1 direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    As a super 2 doesnt he get 4 arb years? If that is the case then soon he will be much too costly for the Braves to keep. Ergo, Aybar in waiting so to speak.
    Yes. My concern with Johnson is he wins the battling title, that allows him to be an exception to normal arb raises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Yes. My concern with Johnson is he wins the battling title, that allows him to be an exception to normal arb raises.
    Exactly. Move Uggla, resign Mac if the FO determines that is the best course. Then imagine what you can get in trade for Gattis and Johnson. Start with Castellanos or Profar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravebonebook View Post
    Most of the Cuban players come across like that. Language barrier, their culture, machismo, whatever the factors are, Cuban players are stereotyped as bad teammates. Unfortunately for some, they earn the rep honestly.
    Gio Gonzalez is Cuban. So is Fredi. I don't think he's an asshole because he's Cuban. I think he's a Cuban asshole.

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    Gio was born in Florida and I doubt he has spent time in Cuban (if any).

    Thats a little different than the players that have defected

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Not really, he's only heading in 1 direction.
    He's heading in one direction, but at $4 M to $5 M per year, he could be a decent DH candidate in the right situation. I get he's the classic 3-outcome guy, but I just don't think that much of him as a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    He's heading in one direction, but at $4 M to $5 M per year, he could be a decent DH candidate in the right situation. I get he's the classic 3-outcome guy, but I just don't think that much of him as a player.
    AL team gonna want to pay 4 million for a low to mid .700 OPS guy?

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    4 million is chump change to some teams. Dan will always be a guy that can hit a home run. There will be takers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    4 million is chump change to some teams. Dan will always be a guy that can hit a home run. There will be takers.
    Agreed, plus I feel Dan has a good reputation as a worker / 'clubhouse guy' ...

    It's hard not to be a fan, though. I was excited when the Braves acquired him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    AL team gonna want to pay 4 million for a low to mid .700 OPS guy?
    Let's not act like there is a glutton of 2B talent out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    4 million is chump change to some teams. Dan will always be a guy that can hit a home run. There will be takers.
    Agree with this. If you could predict the outcome of games and told your fans that you will win tonite 1-0 on an unearned run, there would not be 1000 fans in the stands.
    Teams like Seattle, Minn (maybe) CWS, even Toronto is possible would line up for Uggla with the right offer from Wren.

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    There is no question Dans #s look horrible, but he has 21 HR, was an all-star just last year, and hes coming off LASIK surgery where who knows how much it will improve him or not being able to see the ball. My point is there will be takers. Question is how much money are we willing to eat? At the end of the day, I dont see Dan Uggla getting traded.

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    Uggla was not at an all star level last year.

    The Braves hardly, if ever, eat contracts. That is gonna further complicate any Dan Uggla deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Uggla was not at an all star level last year.
    Maybe not, but he still made the All-Star team, and people actually put stock in that (even if they shouldn't).

    Also: his middle-name is "Cooley."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Uggla was not at an all star level last year.

    The Braves hardly, if ever, eat contracts. That is gonna further complicate any Dan Uggla deals.
    Last I checked, making the All-Star team means you were an All-Star. Hes been an all star before and no other 2B have hit more HRs than him since hes been around. As for eating contracts...see Derek Lowe. If the right offer comes along, Wren will trade Uggla. I just think at the end of the day, we are keeping him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Uggla was not at an all star level last year.

    The Braves hardly, if ever, eat contracts. That is gonna further complicate any Dan Uggla deals.
    The Braves have an in house replacement that could potentially provide the same production at league minimum. The Braves won't look at as eating money. They will look at it as saving money to re-invest into the team.

    Other teams with NO options at second base will be interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Uggla was not at an all star level last year.

    The Braves hardly, if ever, eat contracts. That is gonna further complicate any Dan Uggla deals.
    Derek Lowe and Kawakami ring any bells iwth you

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The Braves have an in house replacement that could potentially provide the same production at league minimum. The Braves won't look at as eating money. They will look at it as saving money to re-invest into the team.

    Other teams with NO options at second base will be interested.
    Im not ready to go that far. Assume you mean LaStella. If they thought he was the answer doubt they would even be interested in Guerrero at 30M or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Derek Lowe and Kawakami ring any bells iwth you
    When did the Braves east any money with Kawakami?

    Since they ate some money with Lowe, that fits into the hardly ever category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    When did the Braves east any money with Kawakami?

    Since they ate some money with Lowe, that fits into the hardly ever category.
    If you want to just take the Lowe example - that shows you that if Wren has something better in mind to improve the team(see thethe's last post), then he is going to do it even if he has to "eat" the money. When Wren has his mind made up ala Lowe, hes going to get something done.

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