J. D. Martinez

[clvclv]

Now even more interested in him. Tigers aren't looking to extend him (as I guessed earlier). If we could move Markakis, Mallex and an arm or two might be enough to get him.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/1...or-tigers.html

[yeezus]

He's a helluva hitter. Not sure how the defense will be with he and Kemp in the same outfield, but his season last year is showing as way worse defensively than previous years. He's probably not that bad.

[Garmel]

Yes and hell yes. We'd have great power in this lineup with him, Kemp and Freddy.

[DaneHill]

Now even more interested in him. Tigers aren't looking to extend him (as I guessed earlier). If we could move Markakis, Mallex and an arm or two might be enough to get him.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/1...or-tigers.html

Read your post, then saw this comment by someone:

"I have a feeling that this chat is about to turn into Braves fans offering Nick Markakis and one of their lesser pitching prospects for him."

[UNCBlue012]

Yes and hell yes. We'd have great power in this lineup with him, Kemp and Freddy.

PLEASE.

Inciarte CF
Swanson SS
Freeman 1B
Martinez LF
Kemp RF
Albies 2B
Rio/Garcia 3B
Flowers? C
Pitcher

That's a darn solid lineup.

[Tapate50]

Give me Ramos, and Martinez on a long term deal. I'd take that as an every day lineup and like my chances quite a bit.

[Enscheff]

Read your post, then saw this comment by someone:

"I have a feeling that this chat is about to turn into Braves fans offering Nick Markakis and one of their lesser pitching prospects for him."

Clv is a twit, but to be fair to him, I think he suggested moving Markakis, and then using Mallex plus a couple arms to acquire JD.

[UNCBlue012]

Give me Ramos, and Martinez on a long term deal. I'd take that as an every day lineup and like my chances quite a bit.

If you couldn't tell, I love constructing lineups on here lol

Inciarte CF
Swanson SS
Freeman 1B
Kemp RF
Martinez LF
Ramos C
Rio/Garcia 3B
Teheran
Albies 2B

Damn.

[clvclv]

Read your post, then saw this comment by someone:

"I have a feeling that this chat is about to turn into Braves fans offering Nick Markakis and one of their lesser pitching prospects for him."

Markakis wouldn't be going to the Tigers (although that'd be great for us) - but his contract certainly isn't the albatross many predicted at this point. If clearing it created the money to pay Martinez, I wouldn't think Coppy would even ask for much in return.

If they wanted Nick to fill the hole to remain competitive, I can't imagine just "a lesser pitching prospect" would be enough. I mentioned before that something like Markakis, Mallex, and Sims for Martinez and Anibel Sanchez might not be that bad for either side. We'd be "swapping" RFs (their money is a wash), and the Tigers would get Mallex to replace Maybin (saving them $8 million) plus Sims to replace Sanchez (saving them another $21 million). That would make them much younger and clear lots of payroll in the same deal - while also keeping them in the mix.

On our end, it would also "fix" our OF logjam while adding a big-time hitter. We're currently sitting around $80 million without renewals (I'm already including projected arbitration raises), so adding Sanchez would push us to around the $100 - $105 million level. That adds one of the veteran SPs Coppy's talked about adding - meaning you'd still have ~$15 million to add another one and spend on a C. Say you added Castro at 2/$12 million and another arm in the $8 million range, you'd have...



CF- Inciarte, 2B- Swanson, RF- Martinez, 1B-Freeman, LF- Kemp, 3B- Ruiz/Garcia, C- Castro/Flowers, 2B- Peterson (Albies when they decide to plug him in)

Rotation - Julio, Folty, Sanchez, veteran FA, Wisler/Blair/etc.


I wouldn't mind breaking camp with that in the least. Sanchez comes off the books following 2017 ($5 million buyout), and we should have a number of potential replacements ready by then.

[Hudson2]

I'd def be down for JD. If we took Sanchez we would give up less and fill a rotation need at the same time. Coppy will pull off something like this hopefully this offseason. It will take a better pitcher than Sims though I'm sure.

[Millwood1Hitter]

Heck no to JD! That guy is the modern day Reggie Sanders and we saw how that worked out for us in 2000. Those are exactly the type of guys we need to stay away from...free swingers who got power. Give me somebody like Neck who has a professional at bat almost every time he steps to the plate.

We need to pattern ourselves after the mid to late 90s Yanks, which if you remember didn't have great sluggers but a professional hitter at every spot that worked counts, moved runners over, and wore opposing pitchers down giving them a chance to win almost every game no matter who they wer're facing.

Contrast that to us if that era, I'd say we had an advantage from a sexy point of view or standard stats point of view at every position but we had to many free swingers that struggled against elite pitching and if they weren't hitting homers they weren't scoring runs.

We need power? We got Freddie who appeared to take the next step and just might be our modern day Chipper. We have Kemp. No doubt we need to upgrade at some positions and we could use some additional power but let's not go that route of building our lineup against guys like Kemp and Martinez cause they can really bomb it.

Give me Bernie, Tino, and ONeill over Andruw, Reggie, and Jordan.

[Horsehide Harry]

Heck no to JD! That guy is the modern day Reggie Sanders and we saw how that worked out for us in 2000. Those are exactly the type of guys we need to stay away from...free swingers who got power. Give me somebody like Neck who has a professional at bat almost every time he steps to the plate.

We need to pattern ourselves after the mid to late 90s Yanks, which if you remember didn't have great sluggers but a professional hitter at every spot that worked counts, moved runners over, and wore opposing pitchers down giving them a chance to win almost every game no matter who they wer're facing.

Contrast that to us if that era, I'd say we had an advantage from a sexy point of view or standard stats point of view at every position but we had to many free swingers that struggled against elite pitching and if they weren't hitting homers they weren't scoring runs.

We need power? We got Freddie who appeared to take the next step and just might be our modern day Chipper. We have Kemp. No doubt we need to upgrade at some positions and we could use some additional power but let's not go that route of building our lineup against guys like Kemp and Martinez cause they can really bomb it.

Give me Bernie, Tino, and ONeill over Andruw, Reggie, and Jordan.

Revisionist history.

1995 Yanks - 122 HR in 144 games and finished 2nd in AL east, lost DS fired Showalter hired Torre
1996 - 162 HR, 1st AL east won WS (hanging slider to Leyritz)
1997 - 161 HR 2nd AL East, lost DS
1998 - 207 HR 1st AL East, Won WS
1999 - 193 HR 1st AL East, Won WS

Those Yankee teams weren't a bunch of slap hitting grinders. Professional hitters? Whatever that means. Last I checked ALL ML batters were "professional hitters."

Mostly the best teams were balanced power teams from top to bottom (No Bonds hitting 80 HR with the rest of the team hitting a few here and there).

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Lol those Yankees homer because they play in a kids park. We need contact hitters " we had Hector Olivera before" lol just joking.... What we need is the Edgar Martinez or someone with playoff experience. Thats why i am not sold in trade Markakis.

[Chico]

I think JD has more value to an AL team as a future DH than he does to us. As much as I'd like the RH power I don't think he's a guy we'd go for.

[gilesfan]

Now even more interested in him. Tigers aren't looking to extend him (as I guessed earlier). If we could move Markakis, Mallex and an arm or two might be enough to get him.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/1...or-tigers.html

You would have to add a lot to Markakis and Mallex to get Martinez.

[clvclv]

You would have to add a lot to Markakis and Mallex to get Martinez.

What part of "and an arm or two" didn't infer that?

[gilesfan]

What part of "and an arm or two" didn't infer that?

"An arm or two" implies a low level pitching prospect. If you want an upper echelon hitter, those are better be significant. A replacement letter player, a fringe prospect plus what for a very good hitter in his prime? Folty?

[clvclv]

"An arm or two" implies a low level pitching prospect. If you want an upper echelon hitter, those are better be significant. A replacement letter player, a fringe prospect plus what for a very good hitter in his prime? Folty?

I didn't guess. I mentioned Sims as a potential piece. I have no idea what Al Avila would accept.

Who peed in your Corn Flakes this morning?

[gilesfan]

I didn't guess. I mentioned Sims as a potential piece. I have no idea what Al Avila would accept.

Who peed in your Corn Flakes this morning?

Sorry for attempting to bring logic to your thread.

[clvclv]

Sorry for attempting to bring logic to your thread.

It might take someone like Folty toget them to bite, who knows? If it did, I wouldn't be too keen on that and would hope that would be the end of the call for Coppy. Your statement was "You would have to add a lot to Markakis and Mallex to get Martinez." No one has acted like it wouldn't. Of course, offering to take Sanchez and his $21 million off their books SHOULD lower the level of prospect they could ask for IMO. If it didn't, I'd simply say "thanks, but no thanks Al"'.