For real. I worry for our future that so many of our youth actually think that socialism/communism is a better way to live than what we currently are living under.Originally Posted by Jaw
For real. I worry for our future that so many of our youth actually think that socialism/communism is a better way to live than what we currently are living under.
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FreemanFan (12-10-2016)
But you don't seem overly concerned with the anti-globalism, inward turning, economic populism of the Trump's GOP (not to derail the thread...)
jpx7 (12-11-2016)
Can we at least separate the two. Socialism and communism are not even remotely the same thing.
Globalism stopped working for the American people a long time ago. The world is too large to support everyone. I'm concerned with the well being of this nation. There are lots of countries that make it impossible to compete and therefore destroy the basis of capitalism. I have similar thoughts about places like Walmart or the large investment houses.
You've answered this question with one of your subsequent responses. Youth sees inequality growing and the fact that indications are they are not going to do better than previous generations in terms of economic standing has a large number of them turning in a different direction. This isn't rocket science. There is a lot of economic insecurity and when that happens, the creditors and the debtors will go to opposite corners and pull on the rope in their direction.
jpx7 (12-11-2016)
I just tire of all the faux outrage coming from all quarters of the populace. People need to get over themselves. From my perspective right now, I think the left comes off as a set of overweeningly whiny school marms and the right comes across as a bunch of concrete/sequential bullies. I've had the luxury of working with a broad range of people with a broad range of political perspectives. I don't like a number of people I personally agree with and enjoy the company of a number of people I disagree with. I'm not special by any means, but I think the goal is to keep the car on the road while listening to, but not necessarily agreeing with, the passengers in the car.
The kerfuffle incited by the fashion industry against Melania is just about the most infantile thing I have ever seen.
As for the cast of Hamilton, they can do what they like, but do they understand that Hamilton's political legacy is quite conservative. He was Wall Street before there was Wall Street. I think Miranda's work is monumental, but I think given the multicultural nature of the cast, a lot of folks who don't know that much about American history are viewing Hamilton as more Martin Luther King, Jr., than what he truly was.
Speaking of Hamilton, Lapham's Quarterly has an interesting special issue out devoted to Hamilton. It contains a lot of snippets, some from Hamilton's contemporaries and others by historians, that provide interesting observations on Hamilton.
Link: http://store.laphamsquarterly.us/merchandise/hamilton
jpx7 (12-11-2016)
a nice mix of socialism and capitalism should be what this country should be doing
this love affair of "Capitalism" (which we really aren't) and hate of "Socialism" (that we have very small parts of) is funny
but if we actually built a mix of the 2, it would benefit everyone in this country
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
Hawk (12-09-2016), jpx7 (12-11-2016), Oklahomahawk (12-11-2016)
I obviously don't believe, and would contest, that claim.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Agree to disagree then.
I don't see any historical evidence of communism working.
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I'm not advocating for communism.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
What else can 'seizing the means of production' characterized as?
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This is true. My wife is in a PhD program at UC Davis (a city Rush Davis to this day refers to as Moscow) and she's afraid to make gender a binary variable in her models because she's been inundated with "gender is a spectrum". Keep in mind my wife is the least political person I know, so she's not frustrated at all, only scared to offend.
In a way I would characterize the current social environment as "scared to offend". Phil Jackson is being eviscerated right now because he said "posse", which makes him an automatic racist.
What has happened to Jackson is a perfect illustration of the absurdity of the left.
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I thought I made it clear, in a couple different posts up-thread, that I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I inserted that phrase into the discussion. I am in favor of much more socialism blended into our institutional politics than is currently, but—as I mentioned in this thread, and as I have previously—I do not advocate for the violent seizure of the means of production.
My personal politics notwithstanding, communism is not equivalent to socialism—and even communism has a lot of ideological shades, most of which have never been put in practice. For instance, many Marxists would not consider the economic structure of the Soviet Union to be true communism.
Last edited by jpx7; 12-14-2016 at 12:51 AM.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Babies, bathwater, etc.
One can make all kinds of valid criticisms of the Democratic establishment and their follies, but excusing a vote for cupidity on an massive, perhaps unprecedented, scale in defense of a perceived threat to religious liberty seems pretty weak to me. I imagine that the election of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief will make the world safer for straights-only bakeries and people who think that traditional gender clarifications in our nations' bathrooms is a pressing concern. GG, guys. I hope that the right to discriminate against out-groups provides accessible heath care, affordable education, and old-age insurance for the next couple of generations.
Okay. My anecdotal evidence confirms it, but believe what you will.
If forcing Christian bakers to serve gay weddings isn't such a big deal, if allowing men to use the women's locker room isn't such a big deal, then perhaps the Left shouldn't have made such a big deal out of it. Everyone had access to cakes and showers, this was just SJWs going too far and creating a backlash.
Forever Fredi
Oh yeah? Well what do you think of this Beds???
What do I think of bare shelves in Communist Hungary when I was there?
What do I think of the oppressive nature of another Communist country that I hope to be in?
Not impressed my friend.
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