Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[50PoundHead]

Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
· 1h
I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.


That is the Mets owner responding to Steven Matz signing with the Cardinals. Apparently, they were under the impression they would get a final call to match or beat an offer for him and they did not get it.

This is the second time this offseason, with Thor being the first....love the Mets misery.

I love how he blames the agent outright. It could simply be Matz telling his agent that he didn't want to go back to New York. I obviously don't know the whole story

[50PoundHead]

If I'm remembering correctly, we once got incredibly pissed at Rafael Furcal's agent, because we thought we had a deal to bring him back to Atlanta, and instead the agent used our signed offer sheet to go back to the Dodgers and extract more money from them. But without knowing any of the details in the Matz situation, my operating assumption is that Cohen is almost certainly full of ****.

Big Suspenders really blew a gasket on that one, but the Dodgers went outside the box and really beefed up the AAV on a shorter-term deal. There is professional courtesy and I'm not making excuses for the agent if there was a commitment to give the Braves a chance to match, but that's around the time Schuerholz was whining about the economics of baseball so I take anything from that period with a grain of salt.

[Enscheff]

Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
· 1h
I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.


That is the Mets owner responding to Steven Matz signing with the Cardinals. Apparently, they were under the impression they would get a final call to match or beat an offer for him and they did not get it.

This is the second time this offseason, with Thor being the first....love the Mets misery.

This is how sore losers talk, and is the equivalent of blaming the umps.

Fact of the matter is the Mets are one of the worst organizations from top to bottom, and I wouldn't blame any pitcher for wanting out.

[clvclv]

Likely an upgrade from Demeritte, but he'd probably be in the same situation of hitting the waiver wire again if and when we start signing FAs and need 40-man spaces. Has the same K problem as Demeritte.

Not sure about that anymore - Frazier can't stay on the field. The secrecy surrounding exactly what they think is actually wrong with him physically leads me to believe it's debilitating and that he may not truly "recover". That said, not only am I not a doctor, I didn't stay in ANY hotel last night - much less a Holiday Inn Express.

The one of their DFAs I hate we missed out on is Wade - unless the Angels put several surprising names on the PTBNL list the Yankees are going to get to choose from, a $700K left-handed bat that can be a backup SS would have been a really nice fit here IMO.

[50PoundHead]

Not sure about that anymore - Frazier can't stay on the field. The secrecy surrounding exactly what they think is actually wrong with him physically leads me to believe it's debilitating and that he may not truly "recover". That said, not only am I not a doctor, I didn't stay in ANY hotel last night - much less a Holiday Inn Express.

The one of their DFAs I hate we missed out on is Wade - unless the Angels put several surprising names on the PTBNL list the Yankees are going to get to choose from, a $700K left-handed bat that can be a backup SS would have been a really nice fit here IMO.

Only point I was trying to make is that Frazier has had some success with the bat at the major league level. Of course, I keep underestimating Demeritte's ability to free up Anthopoulos to trade Albies.

[NYCBrave]

Not sure about that anymore - Frazier can't stay on the field. The secrecy surrounding exactly what they think is actually wrong with him physically leads me to believe it's debilitating and that he may not truly "recover". That said, not only am I not a doctor, I didn't stay in ANY hotel last night - much less a Holiday Inn Express.

The one of their DFAs I hate we missed out on is Wade - unless the Angels put several surprising names on the PTBNL list the Yankees are going to get to choose from, a $700K left-handed bat that can be a backup SS would have been a really nice fit here IMO.

The issue with Frazier is he definitely doesn't fit "The Braves Way". AA talked about bringing in guys who fit culture, and if you read about Frazier, I doubt he's that.

[NYCBrave]

This is how sore losers talk, and is the equivalent of blaming the umps.

Fact of the matter is the Mets are one of the worst organizations from top to bottom, and I wouldn't blame any pitcher for wanting out.

Another factor is you can see why the Mets were declined by so many of the top candidates around the league to take their GM position. You've clearly got an owner who is going to be involved in picking players and the negotiations with agents. Which probably makes for a miserable job as GM.

[50PoundHead]

Not sure about that anymore - Frazier can't stay on the field. The secrecy surrounding exactly what they think is actually wrong with him physically leads me to believe it's debilitating and that he may not truly "recover". That said, not only am I not a doctor, I didn't stay in ANY hotel last night - much less a Holiday Inn Express.

The one of their DFAs I hate we missed out on is Wade - unless the Angels put several surprising names on the PTBNL list the Yankees are going to get to choose from, a $700K left-handed bat that can be a backup SS would have been a really nice fit here IMO.

Braves' entrants in the Arizona Fall League didn't particularly shine (although Lugbauer's power display was impressive), but Luke Waddell acquitted himself fairly well for a guy who was playing college ball in the spring of 2021. I don't know what his ceiling is, but he's a LHH and played SS at Georgia Tech. He didn't play SS in the Arizona Fall League, but if he shows he can at least stand at the position without making a fool of himself, he could find his way onto the big league club soon, most likely in 2023. Could be a decent back-up.

[50PoundHead]

The issue with Frazier is he definitely doesn't fit "The Braves Way". AA talked about bringing in guys who fit culture, and if you read about Frazier, I doubt he's that.

Is he a Wild Ginger or something on that order?

[thewupk]

Thethe, your boy Austin Riley got voted First Team All-MLB for 3B.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Anyone know if Mike Schmidt was voted All Mlb at age 24????

[IslandBrave]

Braves' entrants in the Arizona Fall League didn't particularly shine (although Lugbauer's power display was impressive), but Luke Waddell acquitted himself fairly well for a guy who was playing college ball in the spring of 2021. I don't know what his ceiling is, but he's a LHH and played SS at Georgia Tech. He didn't play SS in the Arizona Fall League, but if he shows he can at least stand at the position without making a fool of himself, he could find his way onto the big league club soon, most likely in 2023. Could be a decent back-up.

Lugbauer hit .346 and had an OPS of 1.145 in 16 games. He struck out 20 times, but I'd definitely say he "shined"

[ixiXSolidXixi]

I am starting to think we should no tender Duvall. We need Rosario and Soler.

Any chance Acuña get move to first base?

[Heyward]

I am starting to think we should no tender Duvall. We need Rosario and Soler.

Any chance Acuña get move to first base?

Duvall at 9 mil isnt that bad for 1 year. Dont see why Acuna cant stay in the outfield. And eventually i think we'll come to terms with Freddie on a new deal. Rosario i'd take back, but obviously depends on the money/years for him. Soler depends on Ozuna's situation.

[clvclv]

Braves' entrants in the Arizona Fall League didn't particularly shine (although Lugbauer's power display was impressive), but Luke Waddell acquitted himself fairly well for a guy who was playing college ball in the spring of 2021. I don't know what his ceiling is, but he's a LHH and played SS at Georgia Tech. He didn't play SS in the Arizona Fall League, but if he shows he can at least stand at the position without making a fool of himself, he could find his way onto the big league club soon, most likely in 2023. Could be a decent back-up.

That's my point with Wade - he could be the backup NOW - or at least until one of Shewmake or Waddell is deemed "ready", which neither likely will be this season.

At $700K, it would have been an easy call to DFA Arcia - then they could have circled back to see if Adrianza would have been interested in returning for the same amount he made in 2021. The cost for the TWO of them would be roughly what Arcia's due to make in arbitration by himself. I realize that's not a huge savings - and neither of those guys has Arcia's pop - but every million AA is able to shave with moves like that makes it easier to pay Freeman. I think that's a big part of what was shocking to a lot of people when Pina was signed - that's around $3 million that could've been saved if they would have chosen to carry Contreras as the backup.

[Heyward]

That's my point with Wade - he could be the backup NOW - or at least until one of Shewmake or Waddell is deemed "ready", which neither likely will be this season.

At $700K, it would have been an easy call to DFA Arcia - then they could have circled back to see if Adrianza would have been interested in returning for the same amount he made in 2021. The cost for the TWO of them would be roughly what Arcia's due to make in arbitration by himself. I realize that's not a huge savings - and neither of those guys has Arcia's pop - but every million AA is able to shave with moves like that makes it easier to pay Freeman. I think that's a big part of what was shocking to a lot of people when Pina was signed - that's around $3 million that could've been saved if they would have chosen to carry Contreras as the backup.

Im gonna wait to see how our offseason is handled before i say much about the Pina move. 3 mil for a backup catcher does seem a little rich for a non top of the market team. Maybe AA has more money to play with than any of us thought.

[BravesBlock]

I love how he blames the agent outright. It could simply be Matz telling his agent that he didn't want to go back to New York. I obviously don't know the whole story

I remember JS making similar comments about Furcal’s agent. He was so angry that he publicly stated the Braves would would never deal with that agent again. I believe they did sign a guy later but not sure if they ever did that again.

[clvclv]

Im gonna wait to see how our offseason is handled before i say much about the Pina move. 3 mil for a backup catcher does seem a little rich for a non top of the market team. Maybe AA has more money to play with than any of us thought.

My hope as well.

[UNCBlue012]

Mets in agreement with free-agent infielder Eduardo Escobar on two-year, $20M contract.

also, the Orioles are reportedly listening to offers on Mullins. There had been speculation but it’s legitimately being reported now.

[Freshmaker]

Cannot imagine what it would take to get Mullins