REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[thethe]

And defensive metrics track many things that are basically the same as that.

Not even close. When they track angles and velocity with adequate accuracy I will be more of a believer. I still use defensive metrics but they are not hte absolute measure for my opinions.

[thethe]

who were the favorites to win MVP last year?

wait, found it..

Aaron Rodgers (GB) QB -- 11/2
Tom Brady (NE) QB -- 13/2
Drew Brees (NO) QB -- 9/1
Michael Vick (PHI) QB -- 10/1
Peyton Manning (DEN) QB -- 10/1
Matthew Stafford (DET) QB -- 12/1
Arian Foster (HOU) RB -- 15/1
Calvin Johnson (DET) WR -- 15/1
Ben Roethlisberger (PIT) QB -- 18/1
Eli Manning (NYG) QB -- 18/1
Cam Newton (CAR) QB -- 22/1
Matt Ryan (ATL) QB -- 22/1
Tony Romo (DAL) QB -- 22/1
Alex Smith (SF) QB -- 25/1
Chris Johnson (TEN) RB -- 25/1
LeSean McCoy (PHI) RB -- 25/1
Ray Rice (BAL) RB -- 25/1
Jay Cutler (CHI) QB -- 30/1
Jimmy Graham (NO) TE -- 35/1
Matt Forte (CHI) RB -- 40/1
Rob Gronkowski (NE) TE -- 40/1
Andre Johnson (HOU) WR -- 50/1
Andrew Luck (IND) QB -- 50/1
Andy Dalton (CIN) QB -- 50/1
Jared Allen (MIN) DE -- 50/1
Robert Griffin III (WSH) QB -- 50/1
Wes Welker (NE) WR -- 50/1
Larry Fitzgerald (ARI) WR -- 75/1
Tim Tebow (NYJ) QB -- 100/1

They did a good job with it!

[zitothebrave]

Vick at number 4 haha. But Vegas always gets it right. Gilesfan says so!!!

[gilesfan]

Vick at number 4 haha. But Vegas always gets it right. Gilesfan says so!!!

Zito doesn't understand odds at all.

[gilesfan]

Will be interesting seeing Giles spin this one after his Vegas backing in the soccer thread.

Spin what? The QB on one of the best teams in the league one of faves to win MVP? Shocking

[zitothebrave]

Zito doesn't understand odds at all.

I don understand odds. I just find it amusing that you put all your faith in them. And bring them into arguments that they have no dog in.

[Carp]

BTW Zito, sports science jsut did a piece proving that the pass to Crabtree in the superbowl was catchable if he wasn't held.

Yeah I watched it. They assume an awful lot in that video. Much easier to make that catch with no one guarding you at all.

[thethe]

Yeah I watched it. They assume an awful lot in that video. Much easier to make that catch with no one guarding you at all.

Agreed. Its also easier when you aren't held to stop your momentum.

[zitothebrave]

Agreed. Its also easier when you aren't held to stop your momentum.

I'll wait til its online (don't have cable)

But I also wonder if they factor in Crabtree's block

[thethe]

I'll wait til its online (don't have cable)

But I also wonder if they factor in Crabtree's block

Nope, just the fact.

[zitothebrave]

Wait they didn't factor in the actual play?

[thethe]

Wait they didn't factor in the actual play?

I'm confused now. Just watch the video.

[Carp]

Agreed. Its also easier when you aren't held to stop your momentum.

So what did it really "prove" then?

[Carp]

I'll wait til its online (don't have cable)

But I also wonder if they factor in Crabtree's block

On youtube right now. Just google crabtree sports science

[thethe]

So what did it really "prove" then?

That based on Crabtree's ability he would have been able to get to that ball more often than not if he wasn't held.

[zitothebrave]

I'm confused now. Just watch the video.

Watched it. Still not catchable JMO

Wath the play again. IN SS He runs a fade to the side line. For the real play, he ran towards the defender.

For a visual comparison

This is what Crabtree ran in SS

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The real play was more like

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In SS he just ran a fade. In the real play he engaged Jimmy Smith. In the SS he just ran his route. WHich again is why I'm still to this day cool with the no call and I don't think it's catchable.

[thethe]

You're entitled to your opinion. You're just wrong and they proved it.

[Carp]

That based on Crabtree's ability he would have been able to get to that ball more often than not if he wasn't held.

But it didn't prove that. As I said, they assume an awful lot and use a recreation of the event in totally different circumstances. I won't deny he would have obviously had a better shot. Not really sure how "catchable" that ball was though. And this video didn't really do anything to change that.

[zitothebrave]

No I'm really not

Watch the replay doesn't look a thing like SS play.

SS had him basically running a yard or 2 then his fade. In real life Jimmy Smith had inside technique, Crabtree ran INTO Smith so he could push off. If Crabtree ran the same route as he did in SS there wouldn't have been a hold because Smith couldn't have touched him.

[thethe]

No I'm really not

Watch the replay doesn't look a thing like SS play.

SS had him basically running a yard or 2 then his fade. In real life Jimmy Smith had inside technique, Crabtree ran INTO Smith so he could push off. If Crabtree ran the same route as he did in SS there wouldn't have been a hold because Smith couldn't have touched him.

OPINION ALERT!!!!

I'll go with sports science that does this for a living with advances technology to back up their statements as opposed to your knowledge based off an eagles practice.