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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Which member of that crowd has "gotten rowdy"?

    People that have mentioned an extension have talked about tacking on a couple years to his deal to keep him here as long as you've got control of Acuna/Albies/Swanson and most of the current group of Pitchers - at what point has anyone mentioned a Miggy or Davis-like contract for him in his late 30s?
    I'm in the population whod love to see if we can tack on some years with an extension. My question for everyone hypothetically if Freeman plays out this contract and leaves after the next 3 1/2 years, assuming he remains at his production of the past few years, would the Braves eventually reitre his number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Which member of that crowd has "gotten rowdy"?

    People that have mentioned an extension have talked about tacking on a couple years to his deal to keep him here as long as you've got control of Acuna/Albies/Swanson and most of the current group of Pitchers - at what point has anyone mentioned a Miggy or Davis-like contract for him in his late 30s?
    I'm not calling anyone out specifically. But this will happen at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Texeira, Pujols, and Cabrera aged pretty gracefully. Cabrera might still be awesome when healthy.
    you also have to consider pujols is legitimately 2 years older than everyone thought.
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    It sure does seem like declines are happening sooner for older players than they did, even before the steroid era. Back in the 70's and 80's you'd still regularly see players playing for 20 years. Nowadays players are only lasting until 35-36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherders View Post
    It sure does seem like declines are happening sooner for older players than they did, even before the steroid era. Back in the 70's and 80's you'd still regularly see players playing for 20 years. Nowadays players are only lasting until 35-36.
    Increased pitcher velocity is likely a big contributor to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherders View Post
    It sure does seem like declines are happening sooner for older players than they did, even before the steroid era. Back in the 70's and 80's you'd still regularly see players playing for 20 years. Nowadays players are only lasting until 35-36.
    Back then teams didn't now just how bad those old players were, so they were kept around because they were veterans. The entire FA bidding system relies on that fact.

    Now that teams can accurately determine how good players are, they are realizing older players are not good. This revelation is wreaking havoc in the FA market, and will almost certainly lead to major changes to the pay structure for MLB in the next CBA.

    Boras correctly stated this last off season, "if teams aren't going to pay for past performance anymore, they are going to have to start paying more for current performance". We are due for some real labor strife in the not so distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Increased pitcher velocity is likely a big contributor to this
    It’s not my favorite trend, but I think you’re right here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    It’s not my favorite trend, but I think you’re right here.
    But consider this:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...tand-the-heat/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Interesting (and enjoyably puzzling). Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Feels like the long term pitching contracts (Sabathia, Scherzer, Grienke) have held up better than the hitters (Pujols, Fielder, Cabrera, Teixera, etc.)

    I think it's because elite pitchers can still be effective in their 30's... whereas elite hitters just can't keep up with the velocity as they age
    That's some selective memory. For starters everyone you selected was a big bodied first baseman with almost all fo them signing after 30.

    As far as comparing value between pitchers and hitters, that depends. If you look at the Braves extensions, you have Freeman - Amazing. Tron - Amazing. Kimbrel - Great. Julio - Garbage. Reality is there's no template. There's a **** ton of luck with any free agent signing or extension.
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