Page 40 of 94 FirstFirst ... 3038394041425090 ... LastLast
Results 781 to 800 of 1868

Thread: - STARTS TODAY AT 7PM - 2016 June Amateur Draft Discussion

  1. #781
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    a fair trade can still be a win. We need hitting and have pitching. We trade pitching for hitting is a win if it is not an over pay to get hitting.
    Fair point. I do have what seems to be a minority opinion around here on the issue of whether we have a surplus of starting pitching.

  2. #782
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    6,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    173
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,579
    Thanked in
    1,044 Posts
    Teams just aren't willing to part with legitimate talent, generally speaking, just to save some money.

  3. #783
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Fair point. I do have what seems to be a minority opinion around here on the issue of whether we have a surplus of starting pitching.
    Even if you don't agree the team has surplus pitching, surely you agree they have much more pitching than hitting. Further, you must agree that the offensive talent in the organization is not good enough to compete for the postseason, no matter how long those few position talents are allowed to mature.

    So positional talent must be brought in from outside the organization. I think the Braves can realistically fix 2 positions via FA, but they will have to fix at least 1 spot via trade. It makes sense to deal from a position of strength to address a weakness, so that means trading pitching for offense.

  4. #784
    Arizona Fall Leaguer
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    166
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    53
    Thanked in
    32 Posts
    Well if we suck next year, good chance we can get Seth Beer in the 2018 draft... If he declares after JR season...

  5. #785
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Even if you don't agree the team has surplus pitching, surely you agree they have much more pitching than hitting. Further, you must agree that the offensive talent in the organization is not good enough to compete for the postseason, no matter how long those few position talents are allowed to mature.

    So positional talent must be brought in from outside the organization. I think the Braves can realistically fix 2 positions via FA, but they will have to fix at least 1 spot via trade. It makes sense to deal from a position of strength to address a weakness, so that means trading pitching for offense.
    Disagree due to significantly higher attrition rates for pitchers. Also I suspect I rate our position prospects higher than the consensus around here.
    Last edited by nsacpi; 05-09-2016 at 07:54 PM.

  6. #786
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I had the same reaction. I don't think the Yankees are the type of franchise that is willing to sacrifice assets like that in order to get rid of a bad contract.
    Maybe not. But, if not, the principal is still sound. You look for a team that falls out of the race and has some bad contracts to move and has some reasonably close position players that they "could" make available.

    I was thinking the Yanks would go heavy after Strasbourg after 2016, but that's now off the table. They may panic and things get really weird.

  7. #787
    Mr. Free Trade
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    3,139
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    470
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    834
    Thanked in
    514 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Disagree due to significantly higher attrition rates for pitchers. Also I suspect I rate our position prospects higher than the consensus around here.
    If you do it my way, then the only pitcher you trade is Teheran. But, it also means you have to churn guys like Freeman, Markakis and Inciarte. Markakis isn't going to be around when the team is good again anyway, so no loss long term. Inciarte and Mallex won't both play in the same outfield on a good team. One or the other needs to claim CF and I'm willing to go with trading Inciarte and playing Mallex there, especially if you get a Dahl back in trade and with Acuna playing well.

    So, then it comes down to Freeman. He's a little light in the power department for a 1B, which is an issue for the Braves of today and near term. He plays reasonably good defense but isn't a gold glove guy. He has had wrist problems. His peak value, age wise, is right now and next year. By the time the Braves can legitimately expect to contend at the earliest, 2018, he will be 29 and beginning the decline from his peak age value. He also gets expensive next year at $20.5M. His 29 YO comp is $21M, 30 & 31 is $22M. If he can bring you back 2-3 very good prospects who have a chance to be as good or better AND you shed his current and future salary, allowing you to apply that money elsewhere, then I think it is a necessity to maximize the rebuild.

  8. #788
    10 yr, $185 million Extension
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    4,626
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    199
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,328
    Thanked in
    853 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Bravesfannchar View Post
    Well if we suck next year, good chance we can get Seth Beer in the 2018 draft... If he declares after JR season...
    I'd say that's an absolute lock, but after Beer randomly took himself out of the draft picture for no reason, I'm putting nothing past him.

  9. #789
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    I'm not opposed to trading pitchers or for power hitters but for me such trades have to satisfy the same valuation criteria any other trade would have to. Catcher is the only position where I would bend the valuation criteria slightly.

  10. #790
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'm not opposed to trading pitchers or for power hitters but for me such trades have to satisfy the same valuation criteria any other trade would have to. Catcher is the only position where I would bend the valuation criteria slightly.
    I'm not suggesting the Braves trade for power just for the sake of adding power. I am suggesting the Braves trade for impact hitters, and those hitters almost always have above average power. An OF of Smith/Inciarte/Markakis will have zero power, and that OF will also contain zero impact hitters. Yes, they may be good players, but the offense will be terrible.

    I advocate adding good players in guys like Cervelli and Prado/Freese, but the team needs an impact hitter in the OF that can legitimately hit in the middle of a batting order. The only FAs that qualify are Ces and Bautista, both of which are most likely too expensive. There are a few options on the trade market, and since the Braves can't aflord to trade any positional talent except Mallex or Inciarte, they will most likely have to let go of some pitching to bring in a bat.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to Enscheff For This Useful Post:

    Horsehide Harry (05-10-2016)

  12. #791
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,679
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    956
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    I saw the Braves met with Lewis today. I'm hoping he's there at 3 but I'm starting to think he's gonna be gone before we pick.

  13. #792
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    11,322
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    795
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,424
    Thanked in
    2,274 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I saw the Braves met with Lewis today. I'm hoping he's there at 3 but I'm starting to think he's gonna be gone before we pick.
    Stark also said there is a buzz out of Philly that they are shifting focus from Puk to Lewis.

  14. #793
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,679
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    956
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    I saw that. So if Lewis goes #1. Who would you see falling to 3 and who would be your pick? Groome and Senzel would be my 2 choices with Pint a very close 3.

  15. #794
    Director of Minor League Reports rico43's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    6,368
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    887
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,806
    Thanked in
    2,448 Posts
    The top three picks almost have the feel of Let's Make a Deal.

    Door No. 1: A.J. Puk, LHP, U. of Florida. Although his name reminds me somewhat of A.J. Zapp, one of the Braves historic flameouts at No. 1, on the merits he is a guy who could take his place alongside the growing deck of aces immediately. Puk (6-7, 230) is an corn-fed Iowa native who has refined his tools to have a slider to go with his mid-90s fastball instead of a looping curve. His "crimial record" sounds more lie a dare, as he and a teammate slipped onto a contruction site and climbed a crane. One of the best recommendations for Puk: Keith Law did not have him among his top 10 a month ago.

    Door No. 2: OF Kyle Lewis (6-4, 195): Hard to believe the Snellville native was undrafted out of high school. But his rise has been historic and each evaluation sounds better than the one before. One scout called him a right-handed Heyward at the plate. Hard to ignore 17 homers in your back yard if he sinks to No. 3.

    Door No. 3: Something in the box: among those who have been a No. 1 pick in some mock draft, somewhere ... LHP Jason Groome (6-6, 220), his pinpoint control had him nearly a consensus No. 1 earlier in the season. ... Riley Pint (6-4, 195), has hit 98 on the gun and has been unbeatable. ... OF Corey Ray (5-11, 170) The athlete as an outfielder. Lefty hitter rates as superb in any defensive OF role with surprising pop. ... OF Blake Rutherford (6-3, 190, projects to 210) the draft's best high school hitter, but can the Braves sway a California kid?

  16. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rico43 For This Useful Post:

    buck75 (05-11-2016), Preacher (05-11-2016)

  17. #795
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,679
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    956
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    Ray shouldn't even be considered at 3 for us imo. If we pass on Groome for Ray then Coppy should fired. Groome is probably the best player in the draft.

  18. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Hudson2 For This Useful Post:

    Preacher (05-11-2016), Tapate50 (05-11-2016), zbhargrove (05-11-2016)

  19. #796
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    6,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    173
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,579
    Thanked in
    1,044 Posts
    I wouldn't call Ray superb defensively at any OF spot. From what I've read, he's not a guarantee to stick in CF.

  20. #797
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,679
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    956
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I wouldn't call Ray superb defensively at any OF spot. From what I've read, he's not a guarantee to stick in CF.
    Every time I check the box score I see him playing RF

  21. #798
    It's OVER 5,000! striker42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    10,597
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    387
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,187
    Thanked in
    2,040 Posts
    If Lewis is gone and Puk is on the board at 3, do you take him?

  22. #799
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    6,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    173
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,579
    Thanked in
    1,044 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    If Lewis is gone and Puk is on the board at 3, do you take him?
    I'd go Groome over Puk and maybe even Senzel over Puk.

  23. #800
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,431
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Some musings on Delvin Perez. Reds seem to have some interest.

    http://redsminorleagues.com/2016/05/...rez-reds-pick/

Similar Threads

  1. JUNE 2019 PRE-DRAFT TOP 30 PROSPECTS (NEW NO. 1!)
    By rico43 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 80
    Last Post: 06-19-2019, 11:11 AM
  2. June draft order finalized
    By rico43 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 01-26-2017, 08:59 AM
  3. 2016 NFL Draft Discussion Thread
    By CrimsonCowboy in forum Fulton County Fire & BBQ
    Replies: 133
    Last Post: 05-21-2016, 09:37 PM
  4. 2016 Baseball Hall of Fame Discussion
    By The Chosen One in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 111
    Last Post: 02-27-2016, 12:22 PM
  5. June Rule IV pre-draft Thread
    By rico43 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 183
    Last Post: 06-08-2015, 06:08 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •