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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Gammons has been out of touch for years
    There's been a lot of Yankees/Cole rumors, who knows how true it is. Supposedly Cashman got the greenlight to offer him whatever. He didnt get to do that with Machado/Harper/Corbin, etc.

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    Last I heard, ownership had approved the Yankees giving Cole a contract larger than Price's $217 million pitcher record. If that's true, Gammons would almost certainly be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    There's been a lot of Yankees/Cole rumors, who knows how true it is. Supposedly Cashman got the greenlight to offer him whatever. He didnt get to do that with Machado/Harper/Corbin, etc.
    Doesn't change the fact that Gammons hasn't been a reliable source of information for years.

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    NY Times Sports guy: I'm told #Yankees have a seven-year, $245 million offer on the table for Gerrit Cole. Would be a record-setting contract for a pitcher, surpassing Greinke’s $34.4 million AAV. Question is whether #Dodgers or #Angels will go to 8-9 or even 10 years.

    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    NY Times Sports guy: I'm told #Yankees have a seven-year, $245 million offer on the table for Gerrit Cole. Would be a record-setting contract for a pitcher, surpassing Greinke’s $34.4 million AAV. Question is whether #Dodgers or #Angels will go to 8-9 or even 10 years.

    Wow.
    Didn't someone on here say Cole would get max 25 million? lol

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    Remember when everyone thought Cole was super overrated with the Pirates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Remember when everyone thought Cole was super overrated with the Pirates?
    Well that was before the Astros unlocked his potential

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Remember when everyone thought Cole was super overrated with the Pirates?
    He was then; now he’s not. Pretty simple.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Well that was before the Astros unlocked his potential
    Perhaps we should think outside the box here. Whoever fixed Cole should be lured away from Houston. Pay that man the most a coach has ever earned and let him fix all our our pitchers by unlocking any untapped potential. Imagine what he could do with Folty and Newk by fixing their easily rattled confidence.

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    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...r-payroll.html

    Still probably doesn't make a Bryant trade more likely until there's a decision on his grievance, but obviously makes things more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tululush View Post
    Perhaps we should think outside the box here. Whoever fixed Cole should be lured away from Houston. Pay that man the most a coach has ever earned and let him fix all our our pitchers by unlocking any untapped potential. Imagine what he could do with Folty and Newk by fixing their easily rattled confidence.
    We had one of those guy before. Name was Leo something. Couldn't afford to pay him as much as Baltimore could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/...r-payroll.html

    Still probably doesn't make a Bryant trade more likely until there's a decision on his grievance, but obviously makes things more interesting.
    Doubt grievance has anything to do with a decision to acquire him. The pending grievance just reduces the final package IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    We had one of those guy before. Name was Leo something. Couldn't afford to pay him as much as Baltimore could.
    Give me the next Leo. I’d rather overlay a coach a few million dollars who can fix several pitchers rather than pay a stud pitcher 10x that amount.

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    The Houston coach did pretty well with Verlander and Morton too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that Gammons hasn't been a reliable source of information for years.
    Gammons had the best Rolodex (look it up youngsters) in the business before his aneurysm in 2006. He's been a shadow of his former self since.

    His Red Sox-Colored glasses and AL bias often showed through even when he was at his best. I remember a snippet in one of his columns from the mid-1990s that contended Alex (non-Sea Bass version) Gonzalez was a better prospect than Chipper Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Gammons had the best Rolodex (look it up youngsters) in the business before his aneurysm in 2006. He's been a shadow of his former self since.

    His Red Sox-Colored glasses and AL bias often showed through even when he was at his best. I remember a snippet in one of his columns from the mid-1990s that contended Alex (non-Sea Bass version) Gonzalez was a better prospect than Chipper Jones.
    I have no ax to grind with Gammons but always felt he was more involved with music than the baseball he wrote about. Kinda like another writer we all know about. I sure do miss the days of Furman Bisher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Didn't someone on here say Cole would get max 25 million? lol
    That was one of his many moronic comments whenever he wasn’t making bigoted remarks. He’s one of the dumbest posters to roll through here over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Doubt grievance has anything to do with a decision to acquire him. The pending grievance just reduces the final package IMO.
    Umm, the difference in value between 1 or 2 years of Bryant is gigantic in terms of trade value.

    Part of the return could be a player to be named later, and the list of possible players could be made contingent on the outcome of the grievance.

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    Cubs just won 84 games and now must cut payroll despite having a bad pitching staff.

    I wonder how much fun fans will have staring at that flag that cost them long term contention.

    Flags fly forever! Derrrpppp!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Doubt grievance has anything to do with a decision to acquire him. The pending grievance just reduces the final package IMO.
    Maybe, maybe not.

    With limited funds available - and likely tons of screaming fans - they could easily be in the same position that Boston is with Betts if the Cubs don't get that extra year. No one else will take any of the players they'd prefer to unload - really hard to see them being able to interest other teams in ANYONE other than Contreras or Baez - so you have to wonder if Theo would just try to hold onto him until the deadline and hope a contender still had a hole (or an injury) and just take the draft pick if everyone's only willing to offer him pennies on the dollar (ON TOP OF hearing from those fans hourly about how ridiculous it is that they've packed that place for all these years while losing and now they're unwilling to spend that money to keep winning).

    Could you imagine the uproar if they gave up 2 years of Bryant for Riley and Wilson (or less)? If he's only getting one year, I'm not sure AA would give up that much. (Obviously haven't consulted the value charts - just tossing names around for purpose of discussion - no idea what numbers hounds would consider "fair".)

    I'm in full agreement with those who have said we'd probably be THE team in the driver's seat for him if they have him for 2 years - and wouldn't be particularly unhappy if AA had to overpay to get him - but I'm just not sure how much he "fixes" things if you only have him for one season. Given what we've seen with the skyrocketing payroll, I might prefer to hold onto Riley and Wilson (or whomever you have to give up) and do what it takes to get Donaldson back - then you could hope for the universal DH come 2022 and that Riley successfully makes his adjustments. With Melancon and Greene coming off the books next year, you could convert a young arm (or two) to the pen and put that $20 million towards paying the extra year you might need to pay Donaldson.
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