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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yep. We built this team with FAs, not prospects, right?
    Well, point is.

    Once your team gets good, you need to trade from your farm to add big time talent. Thats what teams do. Not saying i'd go nut crazy and trade 7 of our top 10. But i'd trade a couple of our surplus arms and an outfielder for Haniger instantly. He'd fit perfectly on this team.

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    I love our prospects to but these guys will start becoming stagnant and will start to lose some value. We don’t have room for all the pitching and can’t have a rotation full of all of them to see who is legit and who isn’t. If a trade for Haniger is Pache, Anderson, Allard, and say Wentz and AA doesn’t pull the trigger then he needs to be kicked in the dick hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    So what's the deal with Kepler? It's odd to target someone that has been a below average hitter his whole career. Do you expect a breakout or something? Not a natural choice to play every day and think you've upgraded the team. I put him up there with Ian Happ as an acquisition that doesn't move the needle very much. I like your Peralta suggestions better.

    Shedding a portion of Teheran's salary seems like an obvious thing for the team to do. They certainly do not need him, particularly if they are signing any free agent pitcher as they seem to be looking at doing.
    Last year Kepler had an improved BB rate, lower K rate, much improved defense and registered his lowest BABIP of his career. Also being from Germany he hasn't played nearly as much baseball as baseball rat kids in the US or in Central American countries where kids play year round. You could make the case that he could be a late bloomer in that regard as well. Although, I don't give that thesis as much weight as the improved peripherals.

    I think he could have a breakout year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I love our prospects to but these guys will start becoming stagnant and will start to lose some value. We don’t have room for all the pitching and can’t have a rotation full of all of them to see who is legit and who isn’t. If a trade for Haniger is Pache, Anderson, Allard, and say Wentz and AA doesn’t pull the trigger then he needs to be kicked in the dick hole.
    I wanna know why haniger is projected to drop 1 win this year by the projections. I haven't watched him at all, so he's completely unknown to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    With the exception of Game 1, we played the Dodgers pretty competitively despite being at a big disadvantage.

    But i dont think the Braves can keep both of Pache/Waters.

    They cant keep all of Touki, Soroka, Anderson, Wright, Wilson, Gohara, Allard, Fried, Wentz, Muller, etc. Gotta use some in trades to improve the big league team.

    I think they've got to try and find a way to make their move using pitching prospects as the primary currency.

    They really would be better off keeping Pache and Waters if possible along with just about any other flashing position player down there.

    I'd be more inclined to move Riley, I think, than either of Pache or Waters at this point. I've got an in-house option to address that void in Camargo.

    Braves really need a lot of help from these next two or three drafts though. Pretty thin everywhere under High A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Last year Kepler had an improved BB rate, lower K rate, much improved defense and registered his lowest BABIP of his career. Also being from Germany he hasn't played nearly as much baseball as baseball rat kids in the US or in Central American countries where kids play year round. You could make the case that he could be a late bloomer in that regard as well. Although, I don't give that thesis as much weight as the improved peripherals.

    I think he could have a breakout year.

    Interesting. I suppose his walks increased, Ks decreased, hard hit went up, but BABIP and HR/FB declined and ISO remained steady. I guess he might have a mini-breakout obscured by bad luck last season.

    Still, a bit risky as a primary move to address a void. The trade also implies the Twins don't think it's happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I love our prospects to but these guys will start becoming stagnant and will start to lose some value. We don’t have room for all the pitching and can’t have a rotation full of all of them to see who is legit and who isn’t. If a trade for Haniger is Pache, Anderson, Allard, and say Wentz and AA doesn’t pull the trigger then he needs to be kicked in the dick hole.
    Also true but if Haniger isnt or we dont, then we can hold onto some but there's also risk some of their values drop alot and wont be as valuable as there are now. I would move a couple of the pitchers though, we cant hang onto all of them.

    Also we dont know who will be available a year from now in trade as Carp said. Always surprising trade options.

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    Would cost alot but we have the prospects to do it...

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    Yankees get Happ for three years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post


    Would cost alot but we have the prospects to do it...
    Riley, Wright and lesser prospects. Get it done!

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    Happ to the Yankees, 3 years, per Rosenthal, no terms of the money yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I wanna know why haniger is projected to drop 1 win this year by the projections. I haven't watched him at all, so he's completely unknown to me.
    if i had to guess, it's due to lack of track record and his high BABIP. however, i'd argue he's always carried a high BABIP, in the minors AND majors so it's not automatic it will drop off to .305, where the projections have him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I wanna know why haniger is projected to drop 1 win this year by the projections. I haven't watched him at all, so he's completely unknown to me.
    I have no idea. His 2017 was very similar to his 2018, just less at bats

    2017 410 plate appearances 2.5 WAR
    ISO .209
    BABIP .338
    Avg.282
    OBP .352
    SLG .491
    wOBA .360
    wRC+ 130

    2018 683 plate appearances 4.6 WAR
    ISO .208
    BABIP .336
    Avg.285
    OBP .366
    SLG .493
    wOBA .367
    wRC+ 138

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Riley, Wright and lesser prospects. Get it done!

    Riley, Wright, Izzy Wilson, +

    I'd try very hard to sub a Wentz type in for Riley, but would probably include Riley in a deal for Haniger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I wanna know why haniger is projected to drop 1 win this year by the projections. I haven't watched him at all, so he's completely unknown to me.
    BABIP regression is the main culprit in that projection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Riley, Wright, Izzy Wilson, +

    I'd try very hard to sub a Wentz type in for Riley, but would probably include Riley in a deal for Haniger.
    I think the M's would want Pache or Waters over Riley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    I think the M's would want Pache or Waters over Riley.
    i gladly give them waters over riley.
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    No agreement yet on Happ/Yankees, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    i gladly give them waters over riley.
    I'm a Waters > Pache guy, i'd give them Pache over Waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    I think the M's would want Pache or Waters over Riley.
    Works for me, put one of those in there instead of Riley then. We can easily make this happen and should.

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