2018 Offseason And Targets

[striker42]

Puig is a 1-2 WAR player... he's not that good and he's a punk

A healthy Puig might give you 3 WAR. That's definitely something we could use. That being said, there are easier sources of 3 WAR. Puig's ego won't play here.

[bravesfanMatt]

Puig is a 1-2 WAR player... he's not that good and he's a punk

He is not a 1-2 win player. Unless you believe he is not a good defender like he was last year. I would bet he comes out a bit better defensively this year. And also willing to bet he finishes at 3 or higher.

[Horsehide Harry]

Puig would be horrible from an example standpoint for Albies and Acuna and Camargo

[msstate7]

Puig would be horrible from an example standpoint for Albies and Acuna and Camargo

We not running a mentor program. I wanna win, and I think puig can help us do that

[Freshmaker]

Gray has much better stuff than Teheran

Is he really a better pitcher though? I think a lot are just down on Teheran because we remember all the jacks he gave up. I'll put it like this - I'm not giving anything of value for him. Paying to get Gray and then trying to unload Teheran is not worth what it would cost for what might be a minimal performance boost. Here's last year's stats:

Pitcher	ERA	IP	H	HR	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	BB9	SO9	WAR
Teheran	3.94	175.2	122	26	102	4.83	1.173	6.3	4.3	8.3	1.8
Gray	4.90	130.1	138	14	89	4.17	1.496	9.5	3.9	8.5	0.6

[bravesfanforlife88]

Is he really a better pitcher though? I think a lot are just down on Teheran because we remember all the jacks he gave up. I'll put it like this - I'm not giving anything of value for him. Paying to get Gray and then trying to unload Teheran is not worth what it would cost for what might be a minimal performance boost. Here's last year's stats:

Pitcher	ERA	IP	H	HR	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	BB9	SO9	WAR
Teheran	3.94	175.2	122	26	102	4.83	1.173	6.3	4.3	8.3	1.8
Gray	4.90	130.1	138	14	89	4.17	1.496	9.5	3.9	8.5	0.6

He had like a 2.85 era away from yankee stadium in 18 starts

[TheBravos]

Gray “could” be better than Julio, but that’s not a given.

Honestly I’d rather see Fried, Soroka, Touki, Gohora, Wilson or Wright.

Unless we get a top of the rotation guy, Let the young guys pitch. Anything else feels like a lateral move.

[UNCBlue012]

This offseason is getting boring, come on AA! LOL

[Carp]

He had like a 2.85 era away from yankee stadium in 18 starts

Julio had a 3.14 ERA away from Suntrust in 2017... It's likely just noise.

[zbhargrove]

He is not a 1-2 win player. Unless you believe he is not a good defender like he was last year. I would bet he comes out a bit better defensively this year. And also willing to bet he finishes at 3 or higher.

His last 4 years... 1.5, 1.0, 2.9, 1.8

He hasn't done it in 4 years how is he magically a 3+ WAR player now when his outlier year recently didn't even make it? You guys are giving Puig way too much credit.

[zbhargrove]

A healthy Puig might give you 3 WAR. That's definitely something we could use. That being said, there are easier sources of 3 WAR. Puig's ego won't play here.

He might be but as shown in my previous post he only even came close once in the past 4 years and that was an outlier. He's not the player he was as a rookie. He's a 1-2 WAR player on average

[thewupk]

Is he really a better pitcher though? I think a lot are just down on Teheran because we remember all the jacks he gave up. I'll put it like this - I'm not giving anything of value for him. Paying to get Gray and then trying to unload Teheran is not worth what it would cost for what might be a minimal performance boost. Here's last year's stats:

Pitcher	ERA	IP	H	HR	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	BB9	SO9	WAR
Teheran	3.94	175.2	122	26	102	4.83	1.173	6.3	4.3	8.3	1.8
Gray	4.90	130.1	138	14	89	4.17	1.496	9.5	3.9	8.5	0.6

Yes.

Julio .217 BABIP
Gray .326 BABIP

ERA is very misleading here.


Also Gray did have ace numbers on the road in 2018. Not that I'm one to say that's what he would be when getting out of Yankee Stadium but that place elevated his HR/9 and BB/9 numbers. He has also increased his K/9 the last two seasons from what he was doing earlier in his career. I'd honestly look at his half season with Oakland in 2017 as a baseline of what you'd likely expect from him out of Yankee Stadium.

[zbhargrove]

Is he really a better pitcher though? I think a lot are just down on Teheran because we remember all the jacks he gave up. I'll put it like this - I'm not giving anything of value for him. Paying to get Gray and then trying to unload Teheran is not worth what it would cost for what might be a minimal performance boost. Here's last year's stats:

Pitcher	ERA	IP	H	HR	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	BB9	SO9	WAR
Teheran	3.94	175.2	122	26	102	4.83	1.173	6.3	4.3	8.3	1.8
Gray	4.90	130.1	138	14	89	4.17	1.496	9.5	3.9	8.5	0.6

You can't use last year's stats as a proxy. Before he was a Yankee he was a 3+ WAR pitcher with one bad outlier year when he had injuries... considering his stats away from Yankee stadium fall in line with his usual stats and it's a very hitter friendly stadium how can you honestly use last year?

[zbhargrove]

How is Gray a much better option thank Porcello or Gio, who have both easily been better than him.

Because Porcello is a 2-3 WAR pitcher who had one outlier 5 WAR year. Gio is a 1-2 WAR pitcher. Gray has been a 3+ WAR pitcher when healthy and not pitching at Yankee stadium... it's pretty clear if you actually look at the stats

[bravesfanMatt]

Because Porcello is a 2-3 WAR pitcher who had one outlier 5 WAR year. Gio is a 1-2 WAR pitcher. Gray has been a 3+ WAR pitcher when healthy and not pitching at Yankee stadium... it's pretty clear if you actually look at the stats

Wait. So puig is not a 2 war player because last 4 years. Which he was mostly hurt. But gray is a 3 war pitcher when healthy which he hasnt been the last four years. Narrative much?

[zbhargrove]

Wait. So puig is not a 2 war player because last 4 years. Which he was mostly hurt. But gray is a 3 war pitcher when healthy which he hasnt been the last four years. Narrative much?

Gray only had one notable injury... Puig had lots of little nagging things or he was just sat for being a bad teammate... guess that will magically go away as a Brave. Just using the most recent data we have dude

[NinersSBChamps]

Neither Gray, Puig, or Porcello help this team. Puig could only because of the vacancy on the roster at the moment. The arguments are moot because all of these guys are mediocre.

[striker42]

That was one of the most boring and uneventful winter meetings in recent memory. If things don't break soon we'll end up having to wait for January for the offseason to really get going.

[Southcack77]

Gray “could” be better than Julio, but that’s not a given.

Honestly I’d rather see Fried, Soroka, Touki, Gohora, Wilson or Wright.

Unless we get a top of the rotation guy, Let the young guys pitch. Anything else feels like a lateral move.

It's strongly likely Gray would be better than Teheran, but nothing is certain.

[zbhargrove]

Wait. So puig is not a 2 war player because last 4 years. Which he was mostly hurt. But gray is a 3 war pitcher when healthy which he hasnt been the last four years. Narrative much?

And Gray has been a 3 WAR pitcher the last four years except for the one injury year and the one year in Yankee stadium... and considering his stats away from Yankee stadium I don't think it's a stretch to say that's closer to the norm than at home