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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    What about those numbers says Heyward has power? 150 ISO is below average.
    Well I guess this is one of those times where being hit in the face zaps your power. Stanton's ISO is down .125 from last season, so he is feeling the effects himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Well I guess this is one of those times where being hit in the face zaps your power. Stanton's ISO is down .125 from last season, so he is feeling the effects himself
    Stanton is just feeling the Yankee pressure. I still think he becomes their new Reggie Jackson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Stanton is just feeling the Yankee pressure. I still think he becomes their new Reggie Jackson.
    I would rather he become the new bj Upton, but you probably right

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Being hit in the face only zaps your power at certain times.
    just a 4-game hot streak

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    so Verlander is back to his cy young caliber ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    so Verlander is back to his cy young caliber ways.
    Apparently verlander gives more effort for a contending team. Pretty sad considering his salary

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Apparently verlander gives more effort for a contending team. Pretty sad considering his salary
    I mean he never left being really good but he's started out in 2009-2012 form. HOF pitcher for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Apparently verlander gives more effort for a contending team. Pretty sad considering his salary
    What’s sad is this “he isn’t trying” fallacious causality still has currency with people.

    Verlander had one down year in 2014, mostly due to a huge drop in strikeouts and some bad luck (his FIP was still solid); then he missed most of 2015 with a triceps injury (his first time on the DL), and it’s not impossible that injury was affecting him in 2014 as well; then he came back in 2016 and was elite for a mediocre-plus Detroit team.

    It’s a lazy narrative.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    What’s sad is this “he isn’t trying” fallacious causality still has currency with people.

    Verlander had one down year in 2014, mostly due to a huge drop in strikeouts and some bad luck (his FIP was still solid); then he missed most of 2015 with a triceps injury (his first time on the DL), and it’s not impossible that injury was affecting him in 2014 as well; then he came back in 2016 and was elite for a mediocre-plus Detroit team.

    It’s a lazy narrative.
    Yeah, he should have won the me that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    What’s sad is this “he isn’t trying” fallacious causality still has currency with people.

    Verlander had one down year in 2014, mostly due to a huge drop in strikeouts and some bad luck (his FIP was still solid); then he missed most of 2015 with a triceps injury (his first time on the DL), and it’s not impossible that injury was affecting him in 2014 as well; then he came back in 2016 and was elite for a mediocre-plus Detroit team.

    It’s a lazy narrative.
    2017 with tigers = 4.29 era 8.72 k9 4.14 bb9
    2017 with astros = 1.78 era 11.01 k9 1.42 bb9

    ETA... stats are incorrect. I set date at 7/31, which is wrong
    Last edited by msstate7; 04-25-2018 at 10:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Yeah, he should have won the me that year.
    there is no me in team.. so you agree he is selfish..
    Coppy

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    2017 with tigers = 4.29 era 8.72 k9 4.14 bb9
    2017 with astros = 1.78 era 11.01 k9 1.42 bb9
    You’ve convinced me. He was obviously silently pitching a fit with the out of contention Tigers that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    2017 with tigers = 4.29 era 8.72 k9 4.14 bb9
    2017 with astros = 1.78 era 11.01 k9 1.42 bb9
    Not sure where you’re sourcing, but it’s incorrect. In 2017 with the Tigers, Verlander pitched to a 3.82 era with 9.21 k/9 and 3.51 bb/9 (basically what I hope Foltynewicz can deliver this year).
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    2017 with tigers = 4.29 era 8.72 k9 4.14 bb9
    2017 with astros = 1.78 era 11.01 k9 1.42 bb9

    This is sort of the problem with stats sometimes. you can use them to tell a story that might not be true. people forget humans are behind those stats.

    How did he perform when a crappy team was kicking the ball all over the place.. how did he do when he knew giving up 2 runs probably cost his team the win.. Did he walk more guys trying to be too perfect..

    then with the Astros.. did the pitching coach tweak something.. did he feel more comfortable knowing his defense was going to catch the ball.. did he know he didn't have to be so perfect.. how many innings did he pitch with the lead..
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    It’s even more of an issue if you’re literally quoting incorrect statistics ...
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure where you’re sourcing, but it’s incorrect. In 2017 with the Tigers, Verlander pitched to a 3.82 era with 9.21 k/9 and 3.51 bb/9 (basically what I hope Foltynewicz can deliver this year).
    You're correct. I set date at 7/31, but forgot it was a post trade date deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure where you’re sourcing, but it’s incorrect. In 2017 with the Tigers, Verlander pitched to a 3.82 era with 9.21 k/9 and 3.51 bb/9 (basically what I hope Foltynewicz can deliver this year).
    Then what were his stats with astros?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    You're correct. I set date at 7/31, but forgot it was a post trade date deal
    So it’s clear his performance was already improving before the trade. It’s more likely he hit a groove, physically and mentally, than a lack of effort or pouting.

    People just want to whip up animus because these guys are paid so much (yet still underpaid relative to what owners and the league rake in), when most of us can’t even imagine the consistent level of high-effort they maintain for years of their lives.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure where you’re sourcing, but it’s incorrect. In 2017 with the Tigers, Verlander pitched to a 3.82 era with 9.21 k/9 and 3.51 bb/9 (basically what I hope Foltynewicz can deliver this year).
    2017 With astros... 1.06 era 11.38 k9 1.32 bb9
    2018 with astros... 2.57 era. 11.57 k9 0.00 bb9

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Then what were his stats with astros?
    Very good—but he improved every month of the year. He had a 4.73 era in his first 104.2 IP and a 1.95 era in his second 101.1 IP. He just had a bad first half—but his July was solid, as were his pre-trade August starts.

    Player performance is volatile—especially pitchers’. Many more likely explanations exist than pouting or poor effort. Ascribing such volatility to the latter “causes”—especially absent any other evidence—is lazy narration.
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