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    Quote Originally Posted by DaneHill View Post
    Hmm, I don't know, Thethe, I don't really subscribe to conspiracy theories. Except for UFOs! Free Area 51!!!
    Aliens are real - There is no reason to deny that.

    But, its in the wealthiest best interest to flood the first world with the third world population. It depresses the middle class so that the wealthy elite rule the serfs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Nooooo , my credibility --- not my credibility
    When you state something that is a blatant lie like you've never heard of anti-fa before one has to question your motives on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    To our lefty friends on here, serious question.

    Would you support the removal of any George Washington, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson statue/monument because they owned slaves?
    Were they alive during the Civil War and fought for the confederacy? This is not a good comparison. Are there statues erected of British officers and soldiers who fought against American patriots? Not many that I know of. While their owning slaves was of course detestable, I'm not sure you can put honoring the Founding Fathers on the same level as honoring people who fought to break up the country in order to keep their slaves, which is the general perception of most folks today I would say. There's a decidedly different racial element to honoring the Confederacy.

    Saying that, I don't much care for the removal of these statues myself. I'm a big fan of our shared history, and not a fan of sweeping our darker moments under the rug. I find the Civil War and Confederacy tragically fascinating. I live near some important battlefields in Virginia and the history is palpable at times. Heck, I live within minutes of where they buried Stonewall Jackson's arm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaneHill View Post
    I don't want a one world government and never have heard anyone I know who leans left talk about it. Sounds made up by someone on the right.
    Did you support Brexit? Do you believe in the European Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Did you support Brexit? Do you believe in the European Union?
    No and Yes. I believe all those countries bound together on that one little continent are better served under an agreement together to allow more manageable travel and economic activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaneHill View Post
    No and Yes. I believe all those countries bound together on that one little continent are better served under an agreement together to allow more manageable travel and economic activity.
    So you support peoples from a wide range of countries with separate cultures to be governed by one body? How far does that go? Where is the line of demarcation where this is a one world order vs an acceptable central governing structure?
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    Please tell me somebody else is watching this press conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So you support peoples from a wide range of countries with separate cultures to be governed by one body? How far does that go? Where is the line of demarcation where this is a one world order vs an acceptable central governing structure?
    No. I support an agreement between countries within the extremely small European continent to allow easy travel and economic opportunities. That's where I draw my line. I find it necessary for them due to geographic constraints and historical ties. I don't think the U.S. should be part of the European Union. And I don't want to see all those countries dissolved and become one big Francogermanglospanitland because I love their individual historical identities and cultures. But I believe they should share those cultures freely among themselves due to their closeknit history on the same small intimate continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Please tell me somebody else is watching this press conference.
    Yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yikes.
    Trump might as well been standing with a noose around his neck, he hung himself.

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    nazi bad
    nazi violence is bad
    hate speech is bad
    hate speech is free speech
    free speech is good
    violence against free speech is bad

    This is the argument. Trump had some pieces of the argument but rather than make that argument in any coherent way he just vomited all over the place. Trying to defend anyone who attended that rally is absurd. Everyone knew who was going to that rally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    nazi bad
    nazi violence is bad
    hate speech is bad
    hate speech is free speech
    free speech is good
    violence against free speech is bad

    This is the argument. Trump had some pieces of the argument but rather than make that argument in any coherent way he just vomited all over the place. Trying to defend anyone who attended that rally is absurd. Everyone knew who was going to that rally.
    Agreed. Should never try to excuse that just explain that both sides are deplorable.
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    TRUMP: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at us – excuse me – what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

    Us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaneHill View Post
    Were they alive during the Civil War and fought for the confederacy? This is not a good comparison. Are there statues erected of British officers and soldiers who fought against American patriots? Not many that I know of. While their owning slaves was of course detestable, I'm not sure you can put honoring the Founding Fathers on the same level as honoring people who fought to break up the country in order to keep their slaves, which is the general perception of most folks today I would say. There's a decidedly different racial element to honoring the Confederacy.

    Saying that, I don't much care for the removal of these statues myself. I'm a big fan of our shared history, and not a fan of sweeping our darker moments under the rug. I find the Civil War and Confederacy tragically fascinating. I live near some important battlefields in Virginia and the history is palpable at times. Heck, I live within minutes of where they buried Stonewall Jackson's arm!

    They say you can walk those battlefields and still hear the cannons and the clash of swords at times at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed. Should never try to excuse that just explain that both sides are deplorable.
    Um.

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    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Um.
    Yeah
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed. Should never try to excuse that just explain that both sides are deplorable.

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