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    We might be starting to see some end of season fatigue from guys like Soroka and Wentz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    We might be starting to see some end of season fatigue from guys like Soroka and Wentz.
    Thought this as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    He was optioned when Kiermaier was activated from the 60-day DL.
    The presence of Mallex is going to allow the Rays to trade Kiermaier for a haul soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The presence of Mallex is going to allow the Rays to trade Kiermaier for a haul soon.
    Lot of praise for two win caliber player.

    But fair enough. You and I are both used to being excited about one win guys. Easy to forget what a good player looks like

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Lot of praise for two win caliber player.

    But fair enough. You and I are both used to being excited about one win guys. Easy to forget what a good player looks like
    That's just what the Rays do. They will trade their 4+ win guy for 3-4 guys projected to produce 2+ wins, and then replace him with a 2+ win guy.

    Eventually, one of those 2+ wins guys will blossom into another 4+ win guy...and they do the whole thing over.

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    Supposedly Allard was sitting 88-92. That isn't going to cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Supposedly Allard was sitting 88-92. That isn't going to cut it.
    But he's special

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Supposedly Allard was sitting 88-92. That isn't going to cut it.
    No, it's not. But do you think some would have him as a top 30ish prospect if that's what he usually throws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    That's just what the Rays do. They will trade their 4+ win guy for 3-4 guys projected to produce 2+ wins, and then replace him with a 2+ win guy.

    Eventually, one of those 2+ wins guys will blossom into another 4+ win guy...and they do the whole thing over.
    You sure you want to use the Rays as a model franchise on maximizing value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You sure you want to use the Rays as a model franchise on maximizing value?
    Absolutely. Their model plus a bottom payroll has them competitive almost every year. Their model coupled with a $120M+ payroll should make for a consistent playoff team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    No, it's not. But do you think some would have him as a top 30ish prospect if that's what he usually throws?
    FG has him at 65...probably because he throws 88-92.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    FG has him at 65...probably because he throws 88-92.
    You think they would have a guy who averages around 90 on his fastball anywhere in the top 100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You think they would have a guy who averages around 90 on his fastball anywhere in the top 100?
    Probably. I can't get any real info on how hard he consistently throws.

    What I do know is when these guys get to Atlanta they end up throwing significantly softer than the prospect reports claim. Newk was billed as a 95-97 monster who now averages 93. Sims was supposedly a 95+ guy who now averages 91. Fried was reportedly in the upper 90s earlier this year and impressing everyone, now he's around 93 out of the BP when he can let it fly for 1-2 innings.

    So yes, Allard probably does average 90 MPH because his scouting report says "His fastball will sit in the low-90s, with the ability to reach back for a little more when needed."

    Do you have some other data I've never seen? Or is this just another post of yours with nothing to contribute other than a contrarian comment?
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    The crying shame I saw Tuesday is what potential Connor Lien has if not for his gawdawful swing. He ran down fly balls all night and had a double and triple. But he's struck out over 140 times this year.

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    Interesting question - is it time for Collmenter to replace Folty in the rotation???


    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Interesting question - is it time for Collmenter to replace Folty in the rotation???


    Or...

    Is it time for folty to replace JJ in the pen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Or...

    Is it time for folty to replace JJ in the pen?
    It would be a pretty big kick to the nuts of the rebuild if Newk, Folty, Sims and Fried all end up in the BP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    It would be a pretty big kick to the nuts of the rebuild if Newk, Folty, Sims and Fried all end up in the BP.
    Not to mention the law of averages.

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    What has the world come to when a starting pitcher only has to go 5 innings to be considered lights out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucksie View Post
    What has the world come to when a starting pitcher only has to go 5 innings to be considered lights out?
    low standards of a 70 win team...maybe

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