2018 Trade Deadline ROSTERBATION

[nsacpi]

He might but he's a guarantee, prospect arent.

explain to me what this guarantee is

[jpx7]

Regarding a MadBum trade, i'd offer something like Allard, Anderson, Muller, and a guy like Demeritte. Bigger question is MB's contract is up after 2019.

Yea, no. Turning 29 later this year, dealing with injury issues already, and only signed through 2019 anyways. That’s a horrible blow to the organizational depth for a move that seems to have more risk than upside.

[Heyward]

explain to me what this guarantee is

Bumgarner is a proven ace, these prospects arent?

[nsacpi]

Bumgarner is a proven ace.

so what is guaranteed by that

[Heyward]

so what is guaranteed by that

Nothing is guaranteed in baseball so

[Southcack77]

I feel the opposite of how I thought I would feel if we ever got to this point. Last year I was a big Archerphile, or whomever you might name as an affordable, controllable ace.

Now I'm looking at the team and saying, let's go with what we've got. Keep developing. If you're unhappy with Mac or Julion, go with Soroka, Gohara and Allard, or the 5-6 behind them.

As for the front end and the one game playoff thing, nothing's a sure thing. But at this point you surely go with Newcomb or Folty, see if they take the next step. I've never been a big Folty fan because he strikes me as a brain-dead heaver, but if that were entirely true he wouldn't have had the two months he's just had.

If I totally believed in Folty/Newcomb I’d be more inclined to add to the rotation.

Because then I would see a three man playoff rotation. And the framework for future rotations.

My hesitation now is really whether I think they are close enough so that getting one front line guy would help put them over.

I’m just not sure who that front end guy would be.

[Southcack77]

Yea, no. Turning 29 later this year, dealing with injury issues already, and only signed through 2019 anyways. That’s a horrible blow to the organizational depth for a move that seems to have more risk than upside.

It’s also a little much.

Bumgarner doesn’t have the remaining control that the guys who did get those kinds of trade packages.

Every market is different.

I would be willing to give up Wright or Anderson for him, I think, if I believed Atlanta was legitimately good.

Braves will eventually have to move some pitching.

If you aren’t willing to make that kind of deal might as well just declare your undying love for prospects and not make any major trades at all and resolve to basically do it all internally.

[GovClintonTyree]

If I totally believed in Folty/Newcomb I’d be more inclined to add to the rotation.

Because then I would see a three man playoff rotation. And the framework for future rotations.

My hesitation now is really whether I think they are close enough so that getting one front line guy would help put them over.

I’m just not sure who that front end guy would be.

Looks like we got two choices.

[Southcack77]

so what is guaranteed by that

That if healthy he’ll give you a good chance to win 90% of the games he starts.

[CyYoung31]

That if healthy he’ll give you a good chance to win 90% of the games he starts.

See the rub here?

[jpx7]

It’s also a little much.

Bumgarner doesn’t have the remaining control that the guys who did get those kinds of trade packages.

Every market is different.

I would be willing to give up Wright or Anderson for him, I think, if I believed Atlanta was legitimately good.

Braves will eventually have to move some pitching.

If you aren’t willing to make that kind of deal might as well just declare your undying love for prospects and not make any major trades at all and resolve to basically do it all internally.

I’m not sure about “no major trades”, but I’d like to see the Braves mindful of maintaining depth.

But really I’m more where you’re at: I’m not sure the Braves are “there” in terms of a big addition. Plus, I’m not sure that such an addition should be to the rotation, and I’m really skeptical Bumgarner should be that addition even if adding to the rotation is prudent.

[Carp]

Trade for Liriano. Trade for Herrera. Trade for Beltre.

Give up Wisler, D-Pete, Sims, Rio Ruiz, and Wentz.

[Southcack77]

See the rub here?

I mean I think I know what you mean, but if so that was understood in my phrasing.

The team with Bumgarner has a better chance of winning most every game he starts.

A team would have a better chance of winning with Bumgarner than anyone he would replace on the Braves.

There is value to that. Some folks don’t want to pay the cost of it. I get that. It is a tough one.

The Braves have rarely chosen to give up much for starting pitching - Denny Neagle aside.

[nsacpi]

Trade for Liriano. Trade for Herrera. Trade for Beltre.

Give up Wisler, D-Pete, Sims, Rio Ruiz, and Wentz.

something like that...cheap upgrades in areas we are weak

[bravesfanMatt]

Trade for Liriano. Trade for Herrera. Trade for Beltre.

Give up Wisler, D-Pete, Sims, Rio Ruiz, and Wentz.

your Jib.. I like the cut.

[GovClintonTyree]

For those who might still be thinking about adding young, controllable TOR pitchers, I just want to report that I am sitting behind home plate at Safeco watching Archer tonight, and am thoroughly disappointed. He has a limited arsenal - hasn't thrown a change yet, all fastball/slider, timing is all whacked out... a different pitcher than the guy I saw three years ago. No development at all.

Glad we didn't trade 17 prospects for him like I wanted.

[GovClintonTyree]

For those who might still be thinking about adding young, controllable TOR pitchers, I just want to report that I am sitting behind home plate at Safeco watching Archer tonight, and am thoroughly disappointed. He has a limited arsenal - hasn't thrown a change yet, all fastball/slider, timing is all whacked out... a different pitcher than the guy I saw three years ago. No development at all.

Glad we didn't trade 17 prospects for him like I wanted.

But now I'm ready to trade 17 prospects for the Rays' Next Big Thing. I saw him today, Blake Snell. OMG. 96 on the black. Ungodly breaking stuff. Impeccable command. He went 6, walked nobody and struck out 12. Cash pulled him at 100 pitches...if he'd let him go the Mariners would still be waving bats at air.

Best young pitcher I've seen in a long time. I've still got wood.

[thethe]

Camargo is going to finish with more war than moose in the less games

[UNCBlue012]

But now I'm ready to trade 17 prospects for the Rays' Next Big Thing. I saw him today, Blake Snell. OMG. 96 on the black. Ungodly breaking stuff. Impeccable command. He went 6, walked nobody and struck out 12. Cash pulled him at 100 pitches...if he'd let him go the Mariners would still be waving bats at air.

Best young pitcher I've seen in a long time. I've still got wood.

I was just about to suggest Snell. lol Awesome timing.

[Enscheff]

The Rays are the pitching factory folks incorrectly think the Braves are.