The list is a little odd. From the Braves standpoint, I would expect to see Allard a little lower given his not so dominant year so far, and Soroka quite a bit higher given his flat out dominance this year. Obviously the ranking on Gohara is very low. He should be top 50 easy, if not top 30.
I've been saying it for the last few weeks, but Rutherford is overrated right now. He's obviously super talented, but guys who are both very far from the majors and also struggling do not deserve to be on this list (or at least in the top half of this list anyways). I'd say the same of Maitan if struggled the rest of the way this year as well.
Allard hasn't had a great year, but i don't think its entirely unusual that a player might have K rates fluctuate a bit in the minors. They are down this year and its concerning, but they can always bump up again - particularly as he adjusts to the level.
Still, I think he is imminently moveable if you are looking to move someone for something good.
Boards like this are for debating, but I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Both the Braves and White Sox are turning over the rosters. White Sox have seemed to get a bit more for the top shelf parts they traded off, but it all has to play out. Some guys step up and some guys don't. Maybe Allard's stuff isn't enough to get him over and maybe Kopech keeps doing his Nuke Laloosh thing. I always judge on tools and application. Some guys with great tools never get the finer points on the game down and don't live up to their early projections. My guess is two years from now, a quarter of the guys on this list have fallen off and another third will have graduated to the big leagues.
Super (07-25-2017)
This could be the case. In AAA he has been even more impressive than A or AA. Obvious small sample size, but his BB rate is back over 10%, his K rate is back down to 20%, and his BABIP is a much more reasonable .323...and it has produced a .940 OPS.
If he finishes the year with ~200 PAs in AAA with his current BB/K rates and an .850+ OPS at 19 years old....I don't see any way he isn't #1.
Teams with 9: Braves (8, 19, 25, 35, 38, 44, 57, 58, 98)
Teams with 8: White Sox (1, 7, 12, 26, 45, 60, 61, 69)
Teams with 7: Rays (14, 18, 23, 77, 85, 95, 99)
Teams with 6: Dodgers (13, 28, 51, 71, 86, 89); Yankees (3, 27, 63, 79, 91, 94); Phillies (33, 52, 56, 64, 73, 74); Padres (29, 43, 55, 59, 62, 82)
Teams with 5: Reds (5, 21, 80, 81, 90); Astros (10, 40, 46, 54, 87); Brewers (15, 70, 83, 96, 97)
Teams with 4: Twins (31, 34, 76, 84); Cardinals (17, 36, 53, 65)
Teams with 3: Rockies (9, 66, 67); Tigers (72, 78, 100); Athletics (37, 39, 92); Pirates (20, 22, 88); Blue Jays (6, 30, 49)
Teams with 2: Red Sox (4, 48); Indians (16, 24); Mets (2, 41); Nationals (5, 42)
Teams with 1: Diamondbacks (75); Orioles (50); Cubs (93); Giants (68); Mariners (47); Rangers (32)
Teams with 0: Royals, Angels, Marlins
Assigning points to each spec with #1 getting 100, #2 getting 99, etc:
White Sox - 471
Braves - 470
Rays - 296
Padres - 276
Dodgers - 268
Astros - 268
Phillies - 254
Yankees - 249
Cardinals - 235
Reds - 228
Blue Jays - 218
Twins - 179
Pirates - 173
Indians - 162
Rockies - 161
Mets - 159
Nationals - 155
Red Sox - 150
Brewers - 144
Athletics - 135
Rangers - 69
Mariners - 54
Tigers - 53
Orioles - 51
Giants - 33
Diamondbacks - 26
Cubs - 8
Royals - 0
Angels - 0
Marlins- 0
For reference these are the scores from the BA Midseason top 100, after the Rutherford and Jimenez trades are accounted for:
Braves: 532
White Sox: 466
Astros: 302
Yankees: 275
Rays: 272
Indians: 241
Padres: 237
Blue Jays: 230
Phillies: 222
Cardinals: 219
Dodgers: 218
Brewers: 217
Reds: 205
Pirates: 177
Rockies: 166
Athletics: 156
Mets: 148
Twins: 144
Nationals: 130
Red Sox: 114
Tigers: 91
Orioles: 74
Rangers: 67
Mariners: 56
Diamondbacks: 33
Cubs: 18
Giants: 15
Angels: 3
Marlins: 0
Royals: 0
Last edited by praeceps93; 07-25-2017 at 12:32 PM.
I think Kopech's fastball speed is leading to him being overrated. Soroka and Gohara are underrated on that list. Moncada probably isn't #1.
Tapate50 (07-25-2017)
To be fair, Moncada is overrated.
My top 5 would consist of Acuna, Vladdy Jr., Francisco Mejia, Gleyber Torres (at SS), and Amed Rosario.
Guys like Moncada, Devers, Eloy, and Robles are in that next tier.
Acuna has been more impressive at age 19 in AAA than Yoan Moncada has been at age 22.
Acuna hits for a higher average, strikes out less, has more power, and has stolen DOUBLE the amount of bases this year.
If you want to argue who's the top prospect from a relative value standpoint, I'd listen to arguments for the two SS, Vladdy Jr., and Mejia.