The Trump Presidency

[50PoundHead]

You guys do know that a republic IS a democracy, right? It's a representative democracy ala the House of Burguesses in Virginia and somewhat like ancient Rome, rather than a direct democracy ala ancient Athens and the town hall meetings of the New England colonies during colonial days.

Folks need to read their Gordon Wood. He's a little too stuck on the Founders, but he charts America's path from the Republic envisioned by them to the more democratic system that it morphed into within two generations.

[50PoundHead]

Alex Jones has been warning us that the government is spying on our every move for years.

Each day, more and more **** comes out proving him right

It's only been going on since the inception of the nation.

[goldfly]

You're completely nuts, dude.

Yeah, sure garmel. Whatever you want to tell yourself.

Tell me more about democracy and Israel for no reason.

Don't tell the neighbors to the north they aren't a democracy btw

[Garmel]

Yeah, sure garmel. Whatever you want to tell yourself.

Tell me more about democracy and Israel for no reason.

Don't tell the neighbors to the north they aren't a democracy btw

Don't ever change, goldfly.

[Garmel]

Btw, goldfly if you're trying to imply that Lebanon is a modern democracy you don't know what you're talking about. For someone who went to the Middle East you sure don't know much about the region.

[57Brave]

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BREAKING: Secretary of State Tillerson has recused himself from issues related to Keystone pipeline - State Department

[Oklahomahawk]

Folks need to read their Gordon Wood. He's a little too stuck on the Founders, but he charts America's path from the Republic envisioned by them to the more democratic system that it morphed into within two generations.

You can never have enough wood in these situations.

[sturg33]

It's only been going on since the inception of the nation.

Is that why Edward Snowden has to live in exile and wilieaks are accused of being a treasonous tool of the Russians?

[57Brave]

Edward Snowdon lives in exile because he chooses to.
Read up on the Pentagon Papers - Daniel Ellsberg
Like 50 said, this isn't new

Wikileaks claims no home country
Assange is Australian
Right or wrong
??? ?

you assume time/history began in 2008

[zitothebrave]

Is that why Edward Snowden has to live in exile and wilieaks are accused of being a treasonous tool of the Russians?

1. Because Snowden broke the law and doesn't want to go to federal pound you in the ass prison.

2. He is a tool of the Russians. I mean use common sense. If he was a real threat who wasn't protected he would have been killed a long time ago. Don't bother mentioning the kill switch things he has. Anything in there that long would be contained by now and it would be bad but hardly keep him alive worthy after his recent posts. Also look at what he says about Russians. It's nothing.

For example https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/w...ge-russia.html

If you want to build a case for whistleblowers, don't include Assange who didn't do **** for CHelsea Manning. He's an attention whore.

[sturg33]

LOL... if what he exposed was public info he wouldn't be in trouble,and thus wouldn't need to be in exile.

And he's a tool of the russians... that's all you guys have these days. THE RUSSIANS!!!!! Providing exile for someone doesn't not make that person a pawn. It's a joke that he needs it. But that is our country - bull **** authoritarian who gives us the illusion of choice

[Runnin]

"Alex Jones has been warning us..."

[zitothebrave]

LOL... if what he exposed was public info he wouldn't be in trouble,and thus wouldn't need to be in exile.

And he's a tool of the russians... that's all you guys have these days. THE RUSSIANS!!!!! Providing exile for someone doesn't not make that person a pawn. It's a joke that he needs it. But that is our country - bull **** authoritarian who gives us the illusion of choice

I'm not disagreeing with you on Snowden. IMO OBama should have pardoned him. Now that Trump is in the White House his usefulness to Putin is ending I expect him to be extradited before the year is over in a win-win for Russia as Trump will extradite an asset of theirs that we probably have in a secret prison.

He is a tool of the Russians, I've speculated that for months. If you doubt me, even though I've said it months beforehand

http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/sh...hlight=assange

Assange is a prick. I wish he and wikileaks would get exposed for the hackjob they are. Sure they publish some important stuff, but they're so far up their own asses they have Hep A

[50PoundHead]

Is that why Edward Snowden has to live in exile and wilieaks are accused of being a treasonous tool of the Russians?

You are a young man and I understand that Snowden means a lot to your generation. We had our Daniel Ellsburg.

But since WWI, surveillance of the US population has consistently ramped up. If J. Edgar Hoover were alive today, you'd need a forklift to lift the dossier on Trump and Snowden would have been dead before he left the country.

[BedellBrave]

So when did Snowden and Assange fall out of favor with certain folk on here? I thought they were heroes? Good guys. I'm having a hard time keeping up I suppose.

[sturg33]

So when did Snowden and Assange fall out of favor with certain folk on here? I thought they were heroes? Good guys. I'm having a hard time keeping up I suppose.

Since they supposedly helped Trump they are now enemies of the people

[Krgrecw]

Assange is ****ed. The opposing party in Ecuador is going to kick Assange out if they win.

Lock that ****er up

[zitothebrave]

So when did Snowden and Assange fall out of favor with certain folk on here? I thought they were heroes? Good guys. I'm having a hard time keeping up I suppose.

I don't think Steaksauce was ever in favor of Snowden, he outed Obama era ****.

I've been against Assange since he raped a woman and wouldn't stand trial. After reading more into him including something by a ghost writer of his autobiography, he just seems like a pretty terrible person ingeneral. Add in other things, and you'd think he's pretty scummy too.

[The Chosen One]

"Alex Jones has been warning us..."

7/7

never have seen someone use this emoticon. It's usually the JHey one.

[BedellBrave]

Since they supposedly helped Trump they are now enemies of the people

Was wondering if that had something to do with it. Dang I need to keep up.