Here's an interesting article about Doumit written about a year ago. It helps to quantify his defensive shortcomings. I think he's a good acquisition, but the less he plays behind the plate the better.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-s...o-ryan-doumit/
50PoundHead (12-19-2013), Braves1976 (12-19-2013)
Great addition IMO. After signing Gamel, I was afraid we were going to go with what we had, but now that we throw Doumit in the mix as the 3rd catcher, it gives Fredi the freedom once again to use Gattis as a PH if he doesnt start. I like Doumit when he was with Pittsburgh. He is going to be a good weapon to have off the bench.
Are you really putting that much stock in the numbers of a guy with 285 minor league innings? Don't be daft, now.
- He's 23.
- He's cost-controlled.
- He's a lefty.
I'm not saying he's going to be a productive major league pitcher, but trading him for a 33 year old defensively iffy $3.4MM bench bat (going into his FA year) is not a particularly eye-popping return. Especially in terms of value alone.
Last edited by Hawk; 12-19-2013 at 12:36 PM.
I never said you said Gilmartin was destined for stardom.
My point, again, was that Gilmartins are a dime a dozen. We've had lot of guys with his potential/ceiling, a lot of teams have. For the most part, guys like him do not pan out. Guys like him overwhelmingly don't pan out. A small percentage end up productive, the majority end up doing very little: back end guys for a couple seasons, long relievers, lefty specialists, etc. That is the likely route for Gilmartin.
Also, it's FeliZ, and he probably could not have been a starter, looking at the arm troubles he's had as a reliever.
In a package with another fringy-type, a player with a semblance of legitimacy as a catcher, controlled for more than a year (preferably at a more reasonable price). I don't wholly dislike Doumit, his bat speaks for itself -- but I think Wren could've probably done better.
A few people have referenced that fact that Doumit will be a FA after this year as a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. In a FA he might be trying to land another job, and we aren't committed to him next year. I would love one year of solid production out of him on our bench.
Knucksie (12-19-2013)
nsacpi (12-19-2013)
Good article, I read it back when it came out. Now with Doumit in the fold we have two of the worst pitch framers in MLB (probably the worst in Doumit's case). But hopefully he won't catch much at all for the sake of our pitchers. They'll have a hard enough time with Laird catching more and his poor pitch framing (Laird was among the worst again last year). Thankfully Gattis is above average at it, though he's not as good at it as Mac and David Ross. They're basically as good as you'll find in that area.
That said, I like the power potential off the bench Doumit brings. Plus having another switch hitter is good too.
It really depends on what you are looking for. Does the bench player have to have played catcher at one time? I don't want to see Doumit behind the plate, but I do like the idea of having a 3rd catcher.
Would Kevin Youkilis be a bad move? Him and Doumit likely project as similar hitters, but Youkilis could backup at 1B and 3B.
Jeff Baker?
Hawk (12-19-2013)
Do you think Gilmartin solo would net Youkilis? The thing about Youk is he was just a starter a few years ago putting up big numbers, so any GM that's trying to get him has to understand Youk's current GM is going to use that as leverage for talks. The potential of Youk regaining his old form and producing like old is far better than your average bench utility guy.
Do you think Gilmartin solo would net Jeff Baker?
Forever Fredi
The Chosen One (12-19-2013)