This is like blaming the firefighter for breaking your window while your house burned down, and then fixating on it for 2 days.
The Braves lost 15-3 because they played terribly for 1 game. Blaming the umps is for losers. Winners go out and win the next day.
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jpx7 (10-15-2020), Metaphysicist (10-15-2020)
I havent seen anywhere that the umps were blamed for the loss but unless you are a blind assed croupier you had to see the really crappy game the home plate ump had. Even Porter who I respect as an ump missed (IMO) the call at second on Smiths double.
jpx7 (10-15-2020)
You're the one out here going all post hoc ergo propter hoc, invoking the uncountable, non-falsifiable factor of "momentum".
If there's momentum in a series, then it exists and has force in games, innings, and even at-bats.
From there, it's far from heinous to hypothesize that those missed calls changed the "momentum" of Bellinger's initial PA (as well as the actual, literal, provable count he was facing in that PA), which in turn also helped shape the momentum of the inning, and thus the game, and maybe the series.
But I'm not much for putting a lot of stock in "momentum", myself—I posted the above-pasted graphic purely to point out that the homeplate umpire's zone was pretty bad in that first inning. And, unfortunately, a guy like Wright doesn't have a lot of margin for error when the margins of the strike-zone are being taken away from him.
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PawPawMaxwell (10-15-2020), Super (10-16-2020)
I missed the first few ABs, but the first two home plate guys were as good as i've seen all year.
Last night, definitely not as much.
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Every time folks complain about the umps I go look up the strike zone map for the game and show that the ump missed 2-3 calls for both teams. I’ll do the same for last night when I get home if the data is available for the postseason, and we will see who’s right.
Perhaps the umps did cause the Braves to lose 15-3, and are worth complaining about.
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jpx7 (10-15-2020)
Brooks either doesn't have the data, or I am to dumb to find it. So since I had the burden of proof, I have no choice other than to join the mob in their assessment.
That ump was terrible!!!!!!
It is not unimaginable to think if beli is down 1-2 in the count the inning could have ended and Wright regrouped and we are talking a different story. But in that same breathe we can’t blame the ump for Wright looking like a high schooler because he didn’t get a call. What makes good pitchers great is the fact that one particular call doesn’t phase them. Folty didn’t have that. Maybe Wright doesn’t either.
Also not challenging the play at second was a twit error. Again 2-0 is better than 11-0.
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jpx7 (10-15-2020)
wait, did you think he came off the bag during the tag? i kinda thought so too but couldn't see the right angle.
or are you talking about something else?
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no one is blaming the umps, but it can be little things that make a game unravel like that one did, and egregiously poor calls should be called out.
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jpx7 (10-16-2020)
What I saw was an over aggresive slide that pulled Smith over the bag and Dansby glove, in my views (2 sides were shown) never left Smiths body.
Show me.
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yeah, i agree. i didn't get an angle that confirmed it personally, but it definitely seemed like he wildly came off the bag with the tag on.
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bump
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bravesfanMatt (10-16-2020), jpx7 (10-16-2020), The Chosen One (10-16-2020)
quite a limb you went out on there. kudos.
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well, i'm one of two or three around here who have held Wilson in extravagantly high regard
he's been mostly a disappointment, but this is a chance for us to take a bow
looks like he's made some improvements to his off-speed pitches...and he is throwing the sinker more, which looks to be a good pitch for him
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jpx7 (10-16-2020)
being better than 7 ER in less than an inning is almost a given tho
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How are you people not blaming Melvin. Or whoever drafted Melvin. He cant handle pressure. Almost every start he has he falls apart when the going gets tough. This has been going on for 3 years. Whats the definition of insanity again? If it wasnt the first it would have been the second or third. He is not good at the base balls.
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