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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    i'm gonna take you serious about this outrage

    cause i've seen you get upset when the people upset about this map show the stupid map of "look at all this land that voted, this is the real america. how could trump/we lose?"
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    Shocked that the indoctrination machines have moved the needle


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    It’s pussy white liberals screaming about how being white is bad.

    Pathetic
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Shocked that the indoctrination machines have moved the needle

    LMAO that stat.

    As I've said I don't know 1000 times, exit polls in this election are garbage. They're always a tiny bit suspect, but this year they're worthless. If Trump had such large gains in black and hispanic voters, how did he lose PA, Georgia, Michigan, etc.?

    It doesn't take even someone of average intelligence to figure that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    LMAO that stat.

    As I've said I don't know 1000 times, exit polls in this election are garbage. They're always a tiny bit suspect, but this year they're worthless. If Trump had such large gains in black and hispanic voters, how did he lose PA, Georgia, Michigan, etc.?

    It doesn't take even someone of average intelligence to figure that out.
    I agree. He made gains in those demographics in all non swing states and yet it didn’t show up in swing states.

    I think you’re on to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I agree. He made gains in those demographics in all non swing states and yet it didn’t show up in swing states.

    I think you’re on to something.
    Nope, you're wrong. The only thing I'm onto is that exit polls are garbage. Do you know how Exit Polls are normally taken? Even then they're iffy. Now couple that with early voting and mail in voting, and you get a cluster**** of misinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Nope, you're wrong. The only thing I'm onto is that exit polls are garbage. Do you know how Exit Polls are normally taken? Even then they're iffy. Now couple that with early voting and mail in voting, and you get a cluster**** of misinformation.
    I’m wrong about what? Increased percentage of the vote in large minority areas not in swing states?
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    Very disappointed with the post that decided to bump this stupid topic

    Do better next time
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I’m wrong about what? Increased percentage of the vote in large minority areas not in swing states?
    Stop saying talking points and speak like a person.

    You're wrong that Trump made those big gains. No one knows who did what because mail in and early voting skew any exit poll research.

    Let's test your theory with a few random states. I want big votes, not little and we're doing percentages and compare what Hilary got to what Joe got

    Florida
    2016 - 47.82%
    2020 - 47.86%

    Illinois
    2016 - 55.83%
    2020 - 57.54%

    California
    2016 - 61.73%
    2020 - 63.48%

    New York
    2016 - 59.01%
    2020 - 60.86%

    Mississippi
    2016 - 40.11%
    2020 - 41.06%

    Texas
    2016 - 43.24%
    2020 - 46.48%

    Wyoming
    2016 - 21.63%
    2020 - 26.55%

    Mass
    2016 - 60.11%
    2020 - 65.60%

    Colorado
    2016 - 48.16%
    2020 - 55.40%

    Arkansas
    2016 - 33.65%
    2020 - 34.78%

    So Biden made gains in every state basically, but I'm supposed to believe the reason he did that was 100% white educated folks, not solid performance across multiple demographics.

    Trump did do better with Latinx voters than anyone thought, that is evident by holding back Texas and Florida. But that's because of good dog whistling.
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    Look at how he did in NYC and places like LA/SF.

    But good attempt to muddy waters for a whole state.

    We know the party got more percentage of the white vote as you become more elitist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Look at how he did in NYC and places like LA/SF.

    But good attempt to muddy waters for a whole state.

    We know the party got more percentage of the white vote as you become more elitist.
    2016
    Bronx 88
    Brooklyn 79
    Manhattan 86
    Queens 75
    Staten Island 40

    2020
    Bronx 83
    Brooklyn 77
    Manhattan 87
    Queens 72
    Staten Island 42

    So yeah there's some movement there, but hardly anything statistically significant. Especially consider who knows what happened to the electorate thanks to Trump's Coronavirus.

    LA County had basically the same results for the dems as did San Francisco.

    What i find interesting si you picked those 2 but ignored San Diego which has a bigger non-Asian minority population than San Francisco. SF is about 88% White and Asian based on Census estimates. San Diego has that around 85% by that same estimate.

    Here's what you're missing. Trump basically cannibalized Libertarian voters. Some moved to Biden sure, but the majority of Trump gains were from there. Not from poaching every non-college educated white vote.
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    I picked massive metro areas that have large minority pppulations. For some reason non swing states had mic different trends. I’ll leave that for you to figure out why
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I picked massive metro areas that have large minority pppulations. For some reason non swing states had mic different trends. I’ll leave that for you to figure out why

    Philadelphia County 2016 82.4% 2020 81.4%

    So how did Biden win PA if Philly was a net loss for him if all they did was swing the swing states? Hmm, maybe Biden appealed to a larger base? Or the real answer, Hillary ran one of the worst campaigns in American history. She spent her time trying to make a statement victory campaign in states she thought she could flip like NC, and ignored Minnesota and Wisconsin. She visited NC more than PA, she visited Ohio more than Michigan. She made the bad assumption that she would carry those states, on rep and minimal effort while attempting to make it a knockout punch. Had she played a smarter campaign and sured up her votes in PA, Wisconsin and Michigan she wins the election. Biden didn't make the same mistakes Clinton did and spent tons of money suring up swing states. Ironically Biden didn't spend much money in Georgia, that effort goes to the ground game that Abrams has been building there. Unlike Clinton BIden basically let Ohio be, he spent money in NC but it wasn't the key, as he spent twice as much in PA and more in Michigan and unlike Clinton didn't ignore Wisconsin.

    You can't fathom the world where more than half the country dislikes your wannabe dictator and Biden capitalized on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Trump did do better with Latinx voters than anyone thought, that is evident by holding back Texas and Florida. But that's because of good dog whistling.
    Yeah totally those dumb Hispanics just got fooled by clever racism, says the racist white man

    Also, LOL at "latinx"

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    Philly has a great track record for free and fair elections....
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    Lol


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    Trump literally lives in a country club
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yeah totally those dumb Hispanics just got fooled by clever racism, says the racist white man

    Also, LOL at "latinx"
    Lol at your **** take

    They discussed why their vote was volatile, because the republican anti rally was harping on socialism, which does scare some Latinx voters. Even if they're voting against their better interests because Trump's plan only favors the rich.

    And yeah, Latinx is the simple solution. If you understood many languages and they genderize many world, aka Latina and Latino, so instead of saying both, the common practice is to include an x so you're covering both. And hispanic is a bit of a generalization to it's source, as someone from Spain which isn't in South America but not Brazil as they're not spanish speakers.

    But yeah, you can lol at the commonly accepted term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Philly has a great track record for free and fair elections....
    Hmmm, so your strategy was to pivot over and over again, then deflect when you're proven wrong.

    Fine let's look Michigan

    Wayne County
    2016 68.4% 2020 68.5%

    Clear signs of inner city fraud there giving biden the same percentage of the vote.

    What other places do you want me to look at thethe and compare how much of the share of the results Biden gained over Hillary in "Swing States"

    I'm sorry you don't yet understand why your boy lost. Because he swung a bunch of voters who didnt' trust Hillary and Biden swung them back. Even with trump consolidating libertarian votes into his (like good ol freedom boi)

    Your only example you'd probably find is Georgia, because we already discussed how Georgia's rollout was a smart ground game, and not anything Bidenw as hoping for, or needed.
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