I can’t really speak for D or R, and I don’t have strong options on either of these issues, but if there was a compromise offer to “protect life” by abolishing both abortion and the death penalty, I’m confident predicting which side would accept and which side would reject the offer.Originally Posted by mqt
thethe (09-26-2024)
No you wouldn't. Neither side woudl give an inch. Some people on both sides would but the vast amjority of republicans are basically ISIS but Christian.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Basically ISIS, LMAO. Oh Zeets, you sure know how to give a quote.
Abortion measures get voted down in red states but zito says most republicans are ISIS.
Natural Immunity Croc
I am perfectly fine abolishing the death penalty by the way. Even as much as some people deserve it, like Christopher Lee Watts.
That story shook me to my core. I still can't read through all the details of that case.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...2024-election/
Disagree across the board.
Using this Pew survey, 67% of Harris voters say abortion is a very important issue (basically tied with the economy!), while only 35% of Trump voters say it’s very important. I don’t think capital punishment ranks all that high on most people’s list of issues on either side.
There’s no way D would give up abortion access to eliminate the death penalty…it’s just too core an issue for them. For R, it’s not as core an issue, and for those who really care about it, I’m sure most would gladly sacrifice the death penalty to see it abolished. (Especially when life w/o parole is a pretty darn good substitute to the death penalty).
Won’t even respond to the ISIS silliness…
Watts is in general population. His days are numbered.
Okay, let’s make sure we do universal healthcare and food assistance then?
Im actually broadly against the death penalty but only bc the state gets wrong from time to time
But being pro life is about protecting the innocent and defenseless FYI
And yes sign me up for the fantastic trade of abolishing the death penalty and abortion
You are a retard.
Look at what states have legal and use the death penalty. There are exactly 4 red states with no death penalty, ND, AK, IA, and WV. States with the death penalty and no executive order pauses are
ID, WY, MT, NV, UT, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, MO, AR, LA, MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, NC, KY, and IN. Of those states only 3 of them have a shot of going Blue for president.
There were 17 executions in 2024, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Missouri, Utah, Florida, and South Carolina.
Stop being a ****ing retard.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Those things aren’t analogous in the way that abortion and the death penalty (sort of) are …state-permitted, *active* killing of a living thing.
September 25, 2024
Heather Cox Richardson
Sep 26
In 2004 a senior advisor to President George W. Bush famously told journalist Ron Suskind that people like Suskind lived in “the reality-based community.” They believed people could find solutions to problems through careful study of discernible reality. But, the aide continued, Suskind’s worldview was obsolete. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” the aide said. “We are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality— judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
We appear to be in a moment when the reality-based community is challenging the ability of the MAGA Republicans to create their own reality.
Central to the worldview of MAGA Republicans is that Democrats are socialists who have destroyed the American economy. Trump calls Harris a “radical-left. Marxist, communist, fascist” and insists the economy is failing.
In Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, today, Harris laid out her three-pillar plan for an “opportunity economy.” She explained that she would lower costs by cutting taxes for the middle class, cutting the red tape that stops housing construction, take on corporate landlords who are hiking rental prices, work with builders and developers to construct 3 million new homes and rentals, and help first-time homebuyers with $25,000 down payment assistance. She also promised to enact a federal ban on corporate price gouging on groceries and to cap prescription drug prices by negotiating with pharmaceutical companies.
Harris said she plans to invest in innovation by raising the deduction for startup businesses from its current $5,000 to $50,000 and providing low- or no-interest loans to small businesses that want to expand. Her goal is to open the way for 25 million new small businesses in her first four years, noting that small businesses create nearly 50% of private sector jobs in the U.S.
Harris plans to create manufacturing jobs of the future by investing in biomanufacturing and aerospace, remaining “dominant in AI, quantum computing, blockchain, and other emerging technologies, and expand[ing] our lead in clean energy innovation and manufacturing.” She vowed to see that the next generation of breakthroughs—“from advanced batteries to geothermal to advanced nuclear—are not just invented, but built here in America by American workers.” Investing in these industries means strengthening factory towns, retooling existing factories, hiring locally, and working with unions. She vowed to make jobs available for skilled workers without college degrees and to cut red tape to reform permitting for innovation.
“I am a capitalist,” she said. “I believe in free and fair markets. I believe in consistent and transparent rules of the road to create a stable business environment. And I know the power of American innovation.” She said she would be pragmatic in her approach to the economy, seeking practical solutions to problems and taking good ideas from wherever they come.
“Kamala Harris, Reagan Democrat!” conservative pundit Bill Kristol posted on social media after her speech.
For his part, Trump has promised an across-the-board tariff of 10% to 20% that billionaire Mark Cuban on the Fox News Channel called “insane” and Quin Hillyer of the Washington Examiner warned “would almost certainly cause immense price hikes domestically, goad other countries into retaliating, and perhaps set off an international trade war” that could “wreck the economy.” Cuban then told Jake Tapper of CNN that Trump’s promise to impose 10% price controls on credit card interest rates and price caps is “Socialism 101.”
Yesterday, more than 400 economists and high-ranking U.S. policymakers endorsed Harris, and today, the members of former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley’s presidential leadership teams in Michigan, Iowa, and Vermont announced they would be supporting Harris, in part because of Trump’s economic policies.
While Trump insisted yet again today that “the economy is doing really, really badly,” the stock market closed at a record high today for the fourth day in a row.
In other economic news, for nine years, Trump has said he will find a cheaper and better way to provide healthcare to Americans than the Affordable Care Act, although on September 10 he admitted he has only the “concepts of a plan.” Today the Treasury Department released statistics showing that 4.2 million small business owners have coverage through the ACA. Losing that protection would impact 618,590 small business owners in Florida, 450,010 in California, 423,790 in Texas, and 168,070 in Georgia.
Trump has made a claim that crime has risen dramatically under President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris central to his campaign rhetoric. The opposite is true. Two days ago, on September 23, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released its official report on crime statistics from 2023 compared with 2022. Those statistics showed that murder and non-negligent manslaughter fell by 11.6%. Rape fell by 9.4%. Aggravated assault fell by 2.8%. Robbery fell by 0.3%. Hate crimes fell by 0.6%.
Central to the worldview of MAGA Republicans is that immigration weakens a nation and that immigrants increase crime and disease. First Republican vice presidential nominee Ohio senator J.D. Vance and then Trump himself repeatedly advanced the lie that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are eating their neighbors’ pets and bringing disease.
Clergy members from multiple faiths have asked politicians to stop their lies about Haitian immigrants, and today the leader of Haitian Bridge Alliance, a nonprofit organization that represents the Haitian community, filed a charges against Trump and Vance for disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, and aggravated menacing and complicity.
Immediately, Representative Clay Higgins (R-LA), who in the past supported Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and filmed a selfie inside a gas chamber at Auschwitz, posted on social media: “Lol. These Haitians are wild. Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters…but damned if they don’t feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP. All these thugs better get their mind right and their *ss out of our country before January 20th.”
After an outcry, Higgins took the post down. According to House speaker and fellow Louisiana Republican Mike Johnson, who called Higgins a “very principled man,” Higgins took it down after he “prayed about it.” Johnson seemed unconcerned about his colleague’s racism, saying, “we believe in redemption around here.”
But in a statement, House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) called Higgins’s statement “vile, racist and beneath the dignity of the United States House of Representatives. He must be held accountable for dishonorable conduct that is unbecoming of a Member of Congress. Clay Higgins is an election-denying, conspiracy-peddling racial arsonist who is a disgrace to the People’s House. This is who they have become. Republicans are the party of Donald Trump, Mark Robinson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Clay Higgins and Project 2025. The extreme MAGA Republicans in the House are unfit to govern.”
On Monday, Dan Gooding of Newsweek reported that although Trump said on September 18 he would go to Springfield, he will not. Republican Ohio governor Mike DeWine had warned that the local community would not welcome a visit from the former president.
Republican politicians and candidates, including Trump, embraced North Carolina gubernatorial candidate and current lieutenant governor Mark Robinson, who trumpeted the extremists’ MAGA narrative. The September 19 revelation by CNN reporters Andrew Kaczynski and Em Steck that Robinson had boasted on a pornography website that he considers himself a “black NAZI!”, would like to reinstate slavery, and would like to own some people himself, and shared the sexual kinks in which he engaged with his wife’s sister prompted most of his campaign staff to resign.
Andrew Egger of The Bulwark reported today that on a different online forum, Robinson called for a political assassination as well as making racist attacks on entertainer Oprah Winfrey and former president Barack Obama. Robinson has called all the information released about him “false smears” and has said “[n]ow is not the time for intra-party squabbling and nonsense,” but declined help tracking down those he claims falsified his online comments. Today, multiple media outlets reported that top staff in Robinson’s government office are stepping down.
Reality hit hard this week in Texas, too, where U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Lopez yesterday approved the auctioning off of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’s media business, the aptly-named InfoWars. Jones insisted that the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a “hoax” designed to whip up support for gun restrictions, and that the grieving parents were played by “crisis actors.” Juries found Jones guilty of defaming the families of the murdered children and causing them emotional distress.
The auction of his property will enable the families to begin to collect on the more than $1 billion the jurors determined Jones owed them for his reprehensible and harmful behavior.
“The circle of life eventually closes on all things.”
I'm actually not far off on both. I do think children deserve universal healthcare. Not so much for adults.
And food assistance doesn't bother me in the least. Food assistance especially is a marginal cost to the taxpayer.
“The circle of life eventually closes on all things.”
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The stunt where Donald J. Trump tossed a $100 bill to a woman in a grocery store in PA was pre-planned. The family was related to the owner of the store. They were screened ahead of time. They didn't know they'd get money for it. It was not a spontaneous event.
“The circle of life eventually closes on all things.”
I understand the analogy isn’t perfect, but neither are abortion and the death penalty if you don’t believe most aborted fetuses couldn’t feel anything.
Also there is a difference between a zygote and a fetus.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I feel like Trump would win if he had Vance's Ozempic prescription
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
You guys clamored for policies and interviews... well, I'd bet a dollar next to a donut, 3 of you haven't taken the time to hear a word she said
Or, did she give more detail in 45 days than Trump in in 8 years.
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