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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The government? People of the region are the government. Especially when its 80+% that you can realistically assume supported the move by Putin.

    But here Sturg - Let me here the MIC Globalist words come out of you in response to this article:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097
    Thanks for sending. I didnt read the whole thing but think I got the gist.

    So Putin removed the previously leader of Crimea, installed a pro Russian leader, and then they voted and agreed to move under Russia.

    Is that about right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post



    You ****ing sold out.
    Sturg: powerful countries aggressively invading less powerful countries is bad.

    And I'm the pro war guy?

    Am I living in the twilight zone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Thanks for sending. I didnt read the whole thing but think I got the gist.

    So Putin removed the previously leader of Crimea, installed a pro Russian leader, and then they voted and agreed to move under Russia.

    Is that about right?
    It was a closer representation of the propels will than what they had prior. Do you disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Sturg: powerful countries aggressively invading less powerful countries is bad.

    And I'm the pro war guy?

    Am I living in the twilight zone?
    Your position on Putin willlead to world war 3 and you’re too infected to understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It was a closer representation of the propels will than what they had prior. Do you disagree.
    I don't know (genuinely). I am uninformed on the history because I really don't care.

    But I trust the Russian elections even less than I trust American elections, so voting totals aren't going to sway my opinion.

    What's clear to me is Putin made an aggressive move against a country who's leader didn't want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Your position on Putin willlead to world war 3 and you’re too infected to understand that.
    Which position is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Which position is that?
    That he was wrong to take crimea.

    Would you give force him to give it back to end the war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    That he was wrong to take crimea.

    Would you give force him to give it back to end the war?
    No I really don't care. That Europe's business and I wouldn't be involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I don't know (genuinely). I am uninformed on the history because I really don't care.

    But I trust the Russian elections even less than I trust American elections, so voting totals aren't going to sway my opinion.

    What's clear to me is Putin made an aggressive move against a country who's leader didn't want it
    That leader wasn’t the will of the people and you do know that because at the start of the invasion you posted a lot about it but you’re going to play dumb now because you realize you changed your position because TRUMP.

    You must support desantis now because of your illness. Regardless of how many of your widely held principles he will break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    No I really don't care. That Europe's business and I wouldn't be involved
    No is your answer?

    It’s euorpes business how ethnic Russians will be governed? When the Ukraine is in Effect a satellite of the US?

    I didn’t realize just how childish you are.
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    I will admit that some of RDS' rhetoric in this Piers interview is troubling and seems needlessly escalatory

    Later in the interview, DeSantis — agreed with Morgan’s assertion that the Russian president is “now an evil, genocidal monster” following the deadly invasion of Ukraine.

    “I do, well sure, who wouldn’t?” DeSantis said when asked if he agreed.

    “What’s happening is horrible. When you see rockets going into apartment buildings, and there are plenty of people in those buildings, you know, they think they’re, like the people moved out, they didn’t move, they wanted to stay because they think they’re safe in their apartments.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    That leader wasn’t the will of the people and you do know that because at the start of the invasion you posted a lot about it but you’re going to play dumb now because you realize you changed your position because TRUMP.

    You must support desantis now because of your illness. Regardless of how many of your widely held principles he will break.
    Honestly - I've asked you a few times tonight to post my previous positions that I have flipped on.

    I have said in the past that Putin is a bad guy, but understand why he has made some of the decisions he has made.

    I would be shocked if i ever said his invasion of another country was a good thing... but if you have the receipts... please share and I'll address
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I will admit that some of RDS' rhetoric in this Piers interview is troubling and seems needlessly escalatory

    Later in the interview, DeSantis — agreed with Morgan’s assertion that the Russian president is “now an evil, genocidal monster” following the deadly invasion of Ukraine.

    “I do, well sure, who wouldn’t?” DeSantis said when asked if he agreed.

    “What’s happening is horrible. When you see rockets going into apartment buildings, and there are plenty of people in those buildings, you know, they think they’re, like the people moved out, they didn’t move, they wanted to stay because they think they’re safe in their apartments.”
    Thank you.

    Have a great night and I appreciate you finally saying it. My guy ain’t perfect either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Thank you.

    Have a great night and I appreciate you finally saying it. My guy ain’t perfect either.
    Unfortunately...

    that was a Trump interview from last April.

    Also in that interview

    Asked by Morgan what he would tell Putin if he was still commander in chief, Trump replied: “I would say, we have far more than you do. Far, far more powerful than you. And you can’t use that word ever again. You cannot use the nuclear word ever again. And if you do, we’re gonna have problems.”

    Trump also said he warned Putin in “very strong language” not to invade Ukraine — and threatened a US response if Russia did.

    “I told him what our response was going to be. And his response was ‘Really?’. I said, ‘Really,'” Trump recalled.

    Link: https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/trump-...ns-new-show%2F
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Unfortunately...

    that was a Trump interview from last April.

    Also in that interview

    Asked by Morgan what he would tell Putin if he was still commander in chief, Trump replied: “I would say, we have far more than you do. Far, far more powerful than you. And you can’t use that word ever again. You cannot use the nuclear word ever again. And if you do, we’re gonna have problems.”

    Trump also said he warned Putin in “very strong language” not to invade Ukraine — and threatened a US response if Russia did.

    “I told him what our response was going to be. And his response was ‘Really?’. I said, ‘Really,'” Trump recalled.
    I didn’t look at anything you wrote under your admission if desantis rhetoric. Hysterical you try these childish gotcha games.

    Trumps record on foreign policy is unmatched.

    You’re supporting some whose stances are in line with the liberal world order and you are still fighting it.
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    This is the problem thethe... and im seeing it all over twitter from the trump team.

    it is impossible to have a reasonable debate, because you do not apply the critical standards to Trump.

    You criticized RDS of being influence by Ryan, but said its OK trump was bc he didn't know

    You criticized RDS of working with Rove, but said it was OK that trump did because of his success in office


    You criticize RDS for inflammatory remarks of Putin... but it's OK for Trump to call him a genocidal monster who better not invade Ukraine because Trump had the best foreign policy

    it is impossible to take you seriously. you have to have some level of standards or you're just supporting a personality. and that's clearly what is happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    This is the problem thethe... and im seeing it all over twitter from the trump team.

    it is impossible to have a reasonable debate, because you do not apply the critical standards to Trump.

    You criticized RDS of being influence by Ryan, but said its OK trump was bc he didn't know

    You criticized RDS of working with Rove, but said it was OK that trump did because of his success in office


    You criticize RDS for inflammatory remarks of Putin... but it's OK for Trump to call him a genocidal monster who better not invade Ukraine because Trump had the best foreign policy

    it is impossible to take you seriously. you have to have some level of standards or you're just supporting a personality. and that's clearly what is happening
    Wake me up when desantis questions US involvement in Maidan and how we have been bad actors around the world.
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    You create this whole circular logic because you know Desantis completely backtracked on his first disingenuous comments ion Ukraine (which I called out in real time).

    Guy lacks authenticity at all. That’s why he needed to read a trump sign to his kid in an ad to get his career off the ground.

    He will continue to sink in the polls because that inauthenticmess will be identified immediately by the American people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    You create this whole circular logic because you know Desantis completely backtracked on his first disingenuous comments ion Ukraine (which I called out in real time).

    Guy lacks authenticity at all. That’s why he needed to read a trump sign to his kid in an ad to get his career off the ground.

    He will continue to sink in the polls because that inauthenticmess will be identified immediately by the American people.
    Were you gonna ever post those receipts of my flip flop?
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    What have learned tonight boys and girls?

    It turns out, thethe is extremely pro war... He is supportive of a nuclear power invading a small country... and he is very critical of anybody who doesn't support that.

    It turns out, Trump's position on Ukraine was quite hawkish... even threatening a US response? That's dangerous, and escalatory

    And while, RDS is a pro war monger MIC cuck for saying Putin is a war criminal... Trump took it much further, calling him an evil, genocidal monster...

    RDS just can't outwar Trump with these statements. And Trump even threatened the use of nukes! Gonna be tough to match that, but let's see if he can

    The summary is... thethe and trump are the party of peace... except Thethe strongly supports Russia's invasions, and Trump believes them to be genocidal. But then again, Trump did increase our military spending by 25%, and did threaten to do a lot of damage to Putin if he invades ukraine......

    Disconnect between the two, I hope they can work it out soon!
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