2024 Field

[nsacpi]

Great Wall is an example of government failure. No one would argue it was a success.

[Carp]

You think drones would have less overhead than a physical wall?

Really?

Every single civilization has used walls for protection not because they like walls....its because they WORK!

Yes. The "wall" we got ended up allocating 15 billion for a little over 700 miles. That comes down to around 20 million per mile, not counting the cost to maintain it. If Trump had gotten the wall he really wanted, it could have cost exponentially more than that 15 billion.

So yes, I absolute think a fleet of drones (not military style drones btw) would cost substantially less while also providing continuous jobs.

[Carp]

Great Wall is an example of government failure. No one would argue it was a success.

I don't think you are taking into account the added tourism benefit China receives 2000 years later. How much did that wall cost in 254 BC? A few thousand Qin? These days they probably make hundreds of million Yen from tourism of the Great Wall.

[thethe]

Yes. The "wall" we got ended allocating 15 billion for a little over 700 miles. That comes down to around 20 million per mile, not counting the cost to maintain it. If Trump had gotten the wall he really wanted, it could have cost exponentially more than that 15 billion allocated.

So yes, I absolute think a fleet of drones (not military style drones btw) would cost substantially less while also providing continuous jobs.

Funds allocated and funds used are two different concepts.

The wall is an incredibly cheap / low maintenance / effective solution to control immigration.

Drones are expensive/hackable/and unless you're going to put ammunition on top (I DON"T SUPPORT THIS) it will do nothing to deter.

[Carp]

Funds allocated and funds used are two different concepts.

The wall is an incredibly cheap / low maintenance / effective solution to control immigration.

It most certainly is NOT cheap. And it's effectiveness is limited at best.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-po...-wall-ladders/

[thethe]

It most certainly is NOT cheap. And it's effectiveness is limited at best.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-po...-wall-ladders/

From your article:

Despite its obvious vulnerabilities, some border agents maintain that the wall serves a useful purpose. While it won’t stop everyone, it will slow them down and give agents time to react, said Chris Cabrera, a McAllen-based Border Patrol agent and local spokesperson for the National Border Patrol Council, a labor union that supported Trump. “Nine times out of ten we’re going to catch them,” Cabrera said of immigrants who use ladders. But lately, Border Patrol agents have been swamped with the volume of immigrants in the Hidalgo area and cannot effectively respond to climbers. “We have people turning themselves over, and at the same time, when it’s dark we have people with ladders, but we got nobody to go over because we’re tied up.”

If you don't have an immediate deterrent then its just a free for all. The wall is a BASIC NECESSITY.

[nsacpi]

I don't think you are taking into account the added tourism benefit China receives 2000 years later. How much did that wall cost in 254 BC? A few thousand Qin? These days they probably make hundreds of million Yen from tourism of the Great Wall.

that is an illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences...i guess we can console ourselves with the possibility our descedents many generations hence will make some coin from tourists coming to gawk at our folly

[thethe]

This isn't intended to be a knock on Desantis. In real time there were very few who got it 'right'.

[sturg33]

Yes he failed at the beginning... saw he was wrong... and aggressively shifted course despite pressure from President Fauci and Vice President Trump demanding he not.

I have not seen any remorse from Trump. In fact he continues to brag about his actions

[thethe]

Yes he failed at the beginning... saw he was wrong... and aggressively shifted course despite pressure from President Fauci and Vice President Trump demanding he not.

I have not seen any remorse from Trump. In fact he continues to brag about his actions

Yes - He 'aggressively' changed course when it was politically palatable to do so but we are to believe that if he was in power things would have unfolded differently?

Come on now.

Great Gov but if anyone believes he would have 'fired Fauchi' or 'Wouldn't have shut the country down' in the same situation is absolutely fooling themselves.

[thethe]

Destroying the communist indoctrination will be a byproduct of getting immigration/economics/foreign policy correct.

Its the shiny object now thats easy to get attention.

[sturg33]

Yes - He 'aggressively' changed course when it was politically palatable to do so but we are to believe that if he was in power things would have unfolded differently?

Come on now.

Great Gov but if anyone believes he would have 'fired Fauchi' or 'Wouldn't have shut the country down' in the same situation is absolutely fooling themselves.

you're kidding right?

Florida was relentlessly assaulted by the media and Fauci for not being "tough on covid"...

you remember this?


Do you remember that ridiculous commercial that was made about "entering in a mask-free zone"

don't try to gaslight me. RDS got assaulted by the media and the covid cowards on this board daily... while Fauci was saying NY was the gold standard (of which mr. Trump appears to agree)

[thethe]

you're kidding right?

Florida was relentlessly assaulted by the media and Fauci for not being "tough on covid"...

you remember this?


Do you remember that ridiculous commercial that was made about "entering in a mask-free zone"

don't try to gaslight me. RDS got assaulted by the media and the covid cowards on this board daily... while Fauci was saying NY was the gold standard (of which mr. Trump appears to agree)

Once the cat was out of the bag the course was going to play out as it was always going to.

Tell me what RDS would have done differently in the key first few months that would have changed the outcome from when Trump was president?

I'm being told we woul dhave been better off under COVID with RDS as president. Well then, tell me what he would have done differently and when?

[sturg33]

Once the cat was out of the bag the course was going to play out as it was always going to.

Tell me what RDS would have done differently in the key first few months that would have changed the outcome from when Trump was president?

I'm being told we woul dhave been better off under COVID with RDS as president. Well then, tell me what he would have done differently and when?

he would have not handed over the country to a bureaucrat

you can get mad at that all you want... but that is what Trump did. And that was the ultimate failure. The biggest failure of an elected politician of my lifetime.

Since RDS is not a beta, he would have not given up that control like that

[thethe]

he would have not handed over the country to a bureaucrat

you can get mad at that all you want... but that is what Trump did. And that was the ultimate failure. The biggest failure of an elected politician of my lifetime.

Since RDS is not a beta, he would have not given up that control like that

Hmm - Thats interesting because RDS DID have control over Florida and handed over the decision making to the CDC and the bureacrats in DC.

I guess he would have miraculously made a different decision as president.

Is this thought process what some would consider a RDS cultist?

[sturg33]

Hmm - Thats interesting because RDS DID have control over Florida and handed over the decision making to the CDC and the bureacrats in DC.

I guess he would have miraculously made a different decision as president.

Is this thought process what some would consider a RDS cultist?

RDS made the decision he thought was right at the time. He was badly wrong, quickly understood that, and reversed course - while taking on enormous pressure from the media, the government, and Vice President Trump. It was his decision, he owned it, and then he corrected. Unlike VP Trump - who simply did whatever President Fauci told him to all the way to his lost election... but he was kind enough to give him an award on the way out the door

Another thing I like about RDS - is he doesn't lie to my face and try to gaslight what I can see with my own eyes, like this guy

[thethe]

RDS made the decision he thought was right at the time. He was badly wrong, quickly understood that, and reversed course - while taking on enormous pressure from the media, the government, and Vice President Trump.

Another thing I like about RDS - is he doesn't lie to my face and try to gaslight what I can see with my own eyes, like this guy

Ok so no difference in end results if he was president? Looks like he was a “beta” and listened to the experts as well.

[sturg33]

Ok so no difference in end results if he was president? Looks like he was a “beta” and listened to the experts as well.

I've said multiple times I don't hold it against trump that he panicked at the beginning... he was extremely wrong to do so... it cost him the election, etc. But I understand why he did and can empathize with that.

Where he failed catastrophically is never reversing course... never taking back power from President Fauci... and costing himself his second election. If Dems wanted to impeach Trump for something, I'd advice them to impeach him for abdicating his duties of office to a tyrannical "doctor"

[thethe]

I've said multiple times I don't hold it against trump that he panicked at the beginning... he was extremely wrong to do so... it cost him the election, etc. But I understand why he did and can empathize with that.

Where he failed catastrophically is never reversing course... never taking back power from President Fauci... and costing himself his second election. If Dems wanted to impeach Trump for something, I'd advice them to impeach him for abdicating his duties of office to a tyrannical "doctor"

I’m just wondering what you think trump should have done that would have changed the outcome? Saying he didn’t reverse course or do anything isn’t very descriptive. Did he control the states actions? Did he impose any federal mandates?

[sturg33]

But to be clear... there are differences in results... He changed course and put Florida on a path to success.

Compare Florida results to NY. Compare Florida unemployment to California. Compare Florida kids education to Illinois.

RDS - because he kept control - pivoted and avoided total catastrophe for his citizens. Trump remained the beta cuck he is until he was removed from office