Chopping With The Braves And Rolling With The Tide
Excellent! So you now agree with punishing people for other's crimes as a way to express disapproval of those crimes? So you agree you should be labeled a sex offender because someone in your neighborhood downloaded child porn and then died? It's important that the government express its disapproval of child porn and they can't punish the guy that did it. Consulting with the community would of course result in the community saying there needs to be punishment when someone breaks child porn laws. So who gets punished is irrelevant so long a principled stand is made.
That's the logic here. The Braves didn't pass the law. Cobb County didn't pass the law. The local people who now will miss out on this income didn't pass the law. But that's who MLB is punishing. It's okay though because MLB is making a principled stand.
sturg33 (04-02-2021)
georgia republicans probably skate by with this if they don’t include the “no handing water” thing. got just a liiiittle too greedy in their vote suppression.
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Which is honestly completely silly. It's not like people are deciding who to vote for based on someone handing them water and it's also not as if people are basing their decision on whether or not to vote based on whether someone might possibly hand them a bottle of water. That part of the law has very little effect one way or the other.
the water thing is very silly...both for the people who put it in the bill and the people who think it matters
but in politics it's a great wedge issue...more so for one side in this instance
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You have asked specifically what people have an issue with. I have 3:
1. For the 2020 election, there were 94 drop boxes across the four counties that make up the core of metropolitan Atlanta: Fulton, Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett. The new law limits the same four counties to a total of, at most, 23 drop boxes, based on the latest voter registration data. The number could be lower depending on how many early-voting sites the counties provide.
There won’t just be fewer drop boxes. Instead of 24-hour access outdoors, the boxes must be placed indoors at government buildings and early-voting sites and will thus be unavailable for voters to drop off their ballots during evenings and other nonbusiness hours.
The measure is likely to have the effect of pushing absentee voters to return ballots through the mail, which in 2020 did not prove as reliable as in the past because of cuts to the Postal Service. (A post office destroyed by Trump appointee DeJoy)
2. Last year, Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta, had two recreational vehicles that traversed the county during the early voting periods, effectively bringing polling sites to people at churches, parks and public libraries. In the November election, more than 11,200 people voted at the two vehicles in Fulton County.
Georgia has now outlawed this practice, unless the governor declares a state of emergency to allow it — something that Mr. Kemp, a Republican, is unlikely to do given that it could increase voter turnout in Atlanta.
3. These new strict rules on early voting hours are likely to curtail voting access for Georgians who work daytime hours or have less flexible schedules and who may be unable to return an absentee ballot. Unless there is a holiday for voting, yes this will affect those people who cannot afford to take a day off to vote. I'm sure some rich people wouldn't think that to be an issue but some employers aren't going to pay you to vote.
I'm not putting race into this at all. But if you don't think any of these are not suppressive tactics good for you. I'm sure demon sex and alien babies are still a thing too.
bravesnumberone (04-02-2021), DaneHill (04-02-2021), jpx7 (04-02-2021), nsacpi (04-02-2021)
If you made a list of electioneering laws that should be controversial, this one isn't even among the top ones. For example, you can't wear any clothing to the polls promoting a specific candidate. So you wouldn't have been able to wear a MAGA hat or a Biden shirt. I find this abhorrent. Someone passively wearing a candidate's shirt as they go to the polls to exercise their right to vote should be fine. I can understand not allowing active campaigning in a polling place but being turned away from voting for wearing a shirt is terrible.
But a free water bottle is where we draw the battle lines?
This makes me so mad. I’ve about had it with rural hicks in this state. I mean heck the house tried to retaliate against Delta but it stalled out. The things in this bill are subtle but they could make a big difference in a gridlocked state. As a Georgian though this bothers me. I hate losing something because of the actions of groups of people I can’t stand and am tired of living around.
Incredibly hurtful. Makes me wonder if I want to watch another game this year.
The good people of Georgia who only wanted to watch baseball aren't the only people affected. This Oregonian feels the sting, and I feel as though I'm the one getting punished.
striker42 (04-02-2021)
Thank you for actually responding in a meaningful and productive way.
A few questions for you.
1. Weren't those measures put in place specifically for covid measures and were never meant to be permenant? and those emergency measures never actually legislated? and aren't the 23 drop boxes significantly more than the numbers that were there prior to covid? I think there should be legit concern about universal mail in balloting due to losing the chain of access, so I think this is a sensible measure to take while still providing greater access than they had before and greater access than other similar cities
2. I have never heard of this practice. Is this something happening throughout the United States?
3. But the voting hours were actually expanded from what they were before, weren't they?
And after all that... what you posted above - even if taken in the the worst possible intent - does not seemingly justify the outrageous non-proportional response that is happening. As far as I can tell, there is a high liklihood that wherever the game gets move to will be in a city with more restrictive voting access than GA
Last edited by sturg33; 04-02-2021 at 03:54 PM.