No All Star Game in Atlanta This Season?

[thethe]

There is virtually no legitimate evidence of what you allege.

And thus concludes my foolish, futile, once-yearly attempt to reason with you.

We can now return to your jinxing Braves prospects and dreaming on Sean Newcomb.

It is, ultimately, unfortunate that we won't get to see Freeman and Acuña, and maybe Ozuna and Albies, playing in an ASG in front of their home fans. It's also unfortunate that the franchise will miss out on some revenue on which they were likely counting. But it's likewise really unfortunate that fewer qualified voters in Georgia will be able to easily vote than were able to easily vote six months ago.

I’ve already provided validation of the chain f custody issues.

Here is the information about the consent decree that basically allowed almost any signature.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...iden-win%3Famp

Im sure you’ll give these considerable time and research.

[jpx7]

I'm sure certain states are worse than others, but I don't know that I could categorize it as "often." As someone who has previously worked in government/state funded departments and whose wife currently works for one, I can tell you there are plenty of resources to get people assistance if they need it. Rarely was it an issue signing someone up for benefits who qualified.

As someone who was poor enough my first year of grad school to qualify for Medicaid in my current state of residence, I can tell you that the process of applying was incredibly slow, byzantine, and frustrating—especially if you had a job, were in school, or had other responsibilities that prevented you from ensuring you were available for the series of midday phone interviews, sometimes scheduled weeks-out, and always scheduled in a vague three-hour range on a particular day. Once I actually had Medicaid, it was great, and easy to use—in fact, everyone should have it!

My experience was similar for the three months when I was furloughed in 2019 due to the non-essential-business shutdown my current state effected, which thus necessitated my applying for UI benefits—it was relatively less slow, at least, but just as byzantine, and that was with expansion and streamlining access due to CoViD.

[clvclv]

Excellent! So you now agree with punishing people for other's crimes as a way to express disapproval of those crimes? So you agree you should be labeled a sex offender because someone in your neighborhood downloaded child porn and then died? It's important that the government express its disapproval of child porn and they can't punish the guy that did it. Consulting with the community would of course result in the community saying there needs to be punishment when someone breaks child porn laws. So who gets punished is irrelevant so long a principled stand is made.

That's the logic here. The Braves didn't pass the law. Cobb County didn't pass the law. The local people who now will miss out on this income didn't pass the law. But that's who MLB is punishing. It's okay though because MLB is making a principled stand.

The "local people" live in the state of Georgia - the state passed the law. The same bill you're defending wants to empower the state officials to take over local election boards. Isn't that the same thing as having federal officials deciding states' rights? Sure looks that way.

Funny that the NBA taking the All-Star game away from Charlotte because someone they didn't agree with used one bathroom or another didn't cause such an uproar. Republicans certainly didn't give two *hits what that did to economies in and around Charlotte.

[jpx7]

I’ve already provided validation of the chain f custody issues.

Here is the information about the consent decree that basically allowed almost any signature.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...iden-win%3Famp

Im sure you’ll give these considerable time and research.

The Tennessee Star is not a legitimate, reputable source.

Graham's disputation requires one to assume that there was massive, coordinated fraud at the ballot-request level, ensuring that all received ballots had matching fraudulent signatures with fraudulently requested ballots, that otherwise wouldn't have matched some nebulous "signature that existed before the application was made". It's a grasp at straws—as baseless and ridiculous an assertion as he is a person—and it's moreover not evidence of anything.

[thethe]

The "local people" live in the state of Georgia - the state passed the law. The same bill you're defending wants to empower the state officials to take over local election boards. Isn't that the same thing as having federal officials deciding states' rights? Sure looks that way.

Funny that the NBA taking the All-Star game away from Charlotte because someone they didn't agree with used one bathroom or another didn't cause such an uproar. Republicans certainly didn't give two *hits what that did to economies in and around Charlotte.

The bill returned the power to the people which is what our country was based on.

[jpx7]

The bill returned the power to the people which is what our country was based on.

So the people is neither "local" nor "federal", but specifically state-level organism—provided you like the state in question. Hmm. Nothing illogical or inconsistent to report there.

[thethe]

The Tennessee Star is not a legitimate, reputable source.

Graham's disputation requires one to assume that there was massive, coordinated fraud at the ballot-request level, ensuring that all received ballots had matching fraudulent signatures with fraudulently requested ballots, that otherwise wouldn't have matched some nebulous "signature that existed before the application was made". It's a grasp at straws—as baseless and ridiculous an assertion as he is a person—and it's moreover not evidence of anything.

No on its own it’s not verification of a fraud perpetrated. But when you introduce elements into a process that increase fraud risk then the auditor must perform substantive procedures to ensure the populations assertions (existence/accuracy) can be validated.

But it’s not grasping at straws because if you are basing the validation for something as important as a vote in an election then you should be performing three way matches at a minimum.

Who cares what the source was not was just the first article I could find. The content of the story with the lack of chain of custody is accurate. Are you disputing that? Seems like a way to avoid the issue which is something you literally just accused me of 5 minutes ago.

And an extra credit chuckle to actually link snipes as if THAT is a credible source. Sure thing.

[thethe]

So the people is neither "local" nor "federal", but specifically state-level organism—provided you like the state in question. Hmm. Nothing illogical or inconsistent to report there.

Election laws were changed unconstitutionally by the state executive branch. This hill returns the power to the people.
It’s actually easy but you’re being deliberately combative.

[Carp]

As someone who was poor enough my first year of grad school to qualify for Medicaid in my current state of residence, I can tell you that the process of applying was incredibly slow, byzantine, and frustrating—especially if you had a job, were in school, or had other responsibilities that prevented you from ensuring you were available for the series of midday phone interviews, sometimes scheduled weeks-out, and always scheduled in a vague three-hour range on a particular day. Once I actually had Medicaid, it was great, and easy to use—in fact, everyone should have it!

My experience was similar for the three months when I was furloughed in 2019 due to the non-essential-business shutdown my current state effected, which thus necessitated my applying for UI benefits—it was relatively less slow, at least, but just as byzantine, and that was with expansion and streamlining access due to CoViD.

The government is notoriously slow, so that isn't surprising. But I didn't find getting people access to those benefits was prohibitive. Despite the common perception that the government tries to to find reasons to make people inelligble, I've found the opposite to be true. Mostly because more spending leads to higher budgets.

[Coredor]

We just went through one of the most scrutinized elections ever with our state officials acknowledging their it was fair. Honestly no one but conspiracy theorists believe otherwise. Then those same people decided to fix something that wasnÂ’t broken.

The real problem for them was turnout was extremely high and they lost. This had a lot to do with absentee voting.

This leads us to why absentee voting made such a difference and why promoting it was a big factor. At some precincts and times voting is very quick and easy. However in many urban areas at popular voting times it can be a nightmare. Getting off work at a slow time is difficult for many hourly workers. Absentee voting was a way around that.

As to voter IDs it does affect very specific people. Like many of you I hage a drivers license, passport, professional license, numerous financial statements, tax forms, and bills. IÂ’m an educated middle aged man. However younger people sometimes donÂ’t have the records they need. IÂ’ve met some who have a hard time getting the paper work together for a drivers license. You have a few lower income people and older people who donÂ’t drive. You also have a few people who are residents but they move around or donÂ’t have a permanent address. Yes there are ways to get around this but it is an impediment to voting and a small number of votes can be the difference.

The goal needs to be increased participation. Voter fraud is an excuse to make it harder to vote. I know the law is worded in such a way that on its face it doesnÂ’t have anything obviously offensive but the harm is subtle but important. More importantly it addresses a non-problem and prioritizes extremely rare voter fraud over the important priority of making sure every edible voter who wants to can vote.

[striker42]

The "local people" live in the state of Georgia - the state passed the law. The same bill you're defending wants to empower the state officials to take over local election boards. Isn't that the same thing as having federal officials deciding states' rights? Sure looks that way.

Funny that the NBA taking the All-Star game away from Charlotte because someone they didn't agree with used one bathroom or another didn't cause such an uproar. Republicans certainly didn't give two *hits what that did to economies in and around Charlotte.

I'm not defending the law. I don't have a dog in that fight. I'm saying MLB was stupid for acting how they did.

And living in Georgia does not equal culpable for the law. As I posted before, 3 of Cobb's 5 commissioners are black women. Their job is now harder because of what MLB did. Were these women responsible for the law? Should they be punished?

NBA, the paragon of social virtue. Just so long as you're not talking about Chinese genocide.

MLBs stunt was stupid and short sighted. If anything it has an outsized impact on the very people MLB is saying are suppressed by the law.

[Carp]

I'm not defending the law. I don't have a dog in that fight. I'm saying MLB was stupid for acting how they did.

And living in Georgia does not equal culpable for the law. As I posted before, 3 of Cobb's 5 commissioners are black women. Their job is now harder because of what MLB did. Were these women responsible for the law? Should they be punished?

NBA, the paragon of social virtue. Just so long as you're not talking about Chinese genocide.

MLBs stunt was stupid and short sighted. If anything it has an outsized impact on the very people MLB is saying are suppressed by the law.

This is a great point regarding the NBA.

[bravesfanMatt]

It is pretty clear they took the all star game away because our team doesn’t know how to properly tag from 3rd. But all you guys have been entertaining regardless.

[striker42]

Interestingly, Jon Ossoff and Stacy Abrams both have come out against boycotts of Georgia businesses and the moving of the All Star game specifically. They know such things will do nothing but enrage Republicans and motivate them to vote in the mid-terms. IIRC, both Kemp and Warnock will be on the ballot in 2022. The last thing Democrats want is a united, motivated Republican base.

[jpx7]

The government is notoriously slow, so that isn't surprising. But I didn't find getting people access to those benefits was prohibitive. Despite the common perception that the government tries to to find reasons to make people inelligble, I've found the opposite to be true. Mostly because more spending leads to higher budgets.

Illinois, or at least Cook County, or at least Chicago, may have improved access to SNAP and similar benefits in recent years—I haven't lived there in seven years, and my second-hand experience came via under-employed friends who had the misfortune of graduating college into the workforce circa the 2008–10 economic crisis. At that time, such services weren't very digitized, there simply wasn't the infrastructure to meet the number of applicants, and you had to essentially show up at an office miles away from where most people lived (a big deal in the city, where a lot of people don't drive) and queue up a few hours before the office even opened, on the prayer you would actually be seen. Needless to say, this often necessitated taking a day off from work, without even knowing your case would be handled—something obviously not possible for a lot of people. The actual qualifications thresholds, however, weren't that onerous—there just wasn't the infrastructure, and I suspect that was a downstate issue versus a municipal issue, since SNAP was state-administered and there's always some friction between Springfield and Chicago.

In Montana, the eligibility requirements are in fact pretty onerous, and do feel like they're designed "to find reasons to make people ineligible".

[jpx7]

It is pretty clear they took the all star game away because our team doesn’t know how to properly tag from 3rd. But all you guys have been entertaining regardless.

MLB should really be more worried about auditing the Infield Fly than Voter Fraud.

[bravesfanMatt]

How soon before this gets locked down.

[CyYoung31]

Thread moved to the political forum, as that is what it has devolved into.

This is now the only thread I’ve ever posted in, in said political forum. I hope you guys appreciate that you are participants of history.

[jpx7]

I'm not defending the law. I don't have a dog in that fight. I'm saying MLB was stupid for acting how they did.

And living in Georgia does not equal culpable for the law. As I posted before, 3 of Cobb's 5 commissioners are black women. Their job is now harder because of what MLB did. Were these women responsible for the law? Should they be punished?

NBA, the paragon of social virtue. Just so long as you're not talking about Chinese genocide.

MLBs stunt was stupid and short sighted. If anything it has an outsized impact on the very people MLB is saying are suppressed by the law.

I do think it's worth debating whether this is an effective strategy of resistance—a much more interesting topic of discussion to me, honestly.

I think the fact that MLB capitulated so swiftly to the MLBPA on this lends credence to PawPawMaxwell's suggestion that both sides have at least one eye on the next CBA, and the PR battle that will coincide with negotiations thereof.

[CrimsonCowboy]

I’ve just been reminded why I really dislike politics and political discussions