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    Braves Will Be Even Better In 2014

    A few weeks ago David Schoenfield wrote a piece about how the Nats would win the NL East in 2014. Well I wrote a rebuttal to that in I think the Braves will be better in 2014.

    http://bigtbliss.blogspot.com/2013/12/my-rebuttal.html

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    An interesting detail to contemplate is the extent that the run prevention we saw in 2013 reflects defense (mostly a certain Andrelton Simmons) rather than pitching. Of course it is a mix of both. But to the extent it reflects Simmons' exceptional defensive play it is something we can count on repeating in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    An interesting detail to contemplate is the extent that the run prevention we saw in 2013 reflects defense (mostly a certain Andrelton Simmons) rather than pitching. Of course it is a mix of both. But to the extent it reflects Simmons' exceptional defensive play it is something we can count on repeating in 2014.
    That is a great point that didn't even cross my mind. Also if BJ hits this season then he's going to be playing in the OF every day and an outfield of Justin, BJ and Heyward is much, much better defensively than an OF of Gattis, Heyward and Justin. Heck you don't have to look any further than game 1 against the Dodgers to see how much of a role OF defense, or a lack there of, plays in run prevention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    An interesting detail to contemplate is the extent that the run prevention we saw in 2013 reflects defense (mostly a certain Andrelton Simmons) rather than pitching. Of course it is a mix of both. But to the extent it reflects Simmons' exceptional defensive play it is something we can count on repeating in 2014.
    Well, if you would, Braves starters had a difference in ERA vs FIP of -0.07 and their relievers came in at -0.67. So I don't think our starters were overly helped by the defense. Some guys were if you believer ERA and FIP correlate directly to defense, as Minor, Medlen, Julio, and Freddy all had lower ERAs than FIPs, but to balance that out, Wood, Hudson, Beachy, and Maholm all had lower FIPs than ERAs.

    Overall our defense wasn't that good last year. Some guys rocked, Simmons, Heyward, and McCann. But we had many guys not rock. What helped us was we had a lot of smart players. Simmons basically carried our IF defense. Uggla, Freeman and Johnson's UZR wipes out about half of Simmons. If we had a competent defender at 2B or 3B, our defense would be an asset at that point.

    Overall though, if we have a healthy OF, and Justin is more acclimated to LF, we'll be much better defensively out there. That's our best shot at improving our defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Well, if you would, Braves starters had a difference in ERA vs FIP of -0.07 and their relievers came in at -0.67. So I don't think our starters were overly helped by the defense. Some guys were if you believer ERA and FIP correlate directly to defense, as Minor, Medlen, Julio, and Freddy all had lower ERAs than FIPs, but to balance that out, Wood, Hudson, Beachy, and Maholm all had lower FIPs than ERAs.

    Overall our defense wasn't that good last year. Some guys rocked, Simmons, Heyward, and McCann. But we had many guys not rock. What helped us was we had a lot of smart players. Simmons basically carried our IF defense. Uggla, Freeman and Johnson's UZR wipes out about half of Simmons. If we had a competent defender at 2B or 3B, our defense would be an asset at that point.

    Overall though, if we have a healthy OF, and Justin is more acclimated to LF, we'll be much better defensively out there. That's our best shot at improving our defense.
    Having Simmons allows us to have major defense liabilities like Johnson and Uggla at 3B and 2B. Just think if one of those positions was fielded by a guy that was just even average defensively? It would be insane because we could think position Simba a little more towards 3B or 2B to get to even more balls and make our defense better.

    But overall what did you guys think of my blog post?

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    I think it's a good post. I would read the original, but if he thinks Harper is a breakout candidate what the hell does he think he'll break out to being? Best player of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I think it's a good post. I would read the original, but if he thinks Harper is a breakout candidate what the hell does he think he'll break out to being? Best player of all time.
    Yeah. Thanks for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
    A few weeks ago David Schoenfield wrote a piece about how the Nats would win the NL East in 2014. Well I wrote a rebuttal to that in I think the Braves will be better in 2014.

    http://bigtbliss.blogspot.com/2013/12/my-rebuttal.html
    How is your article any less bias than the one from ESPN? You essentially do the same thing that you claim that writer did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    How is your article any less bias than the one from ESPN? You essentially do the same thing that you claim that writer did.
    Are you even a Braves fan? I used stats to back up all my points. Stats that proved Schoenfield's points were flawed.

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    The stats you used were cherry picked. "last 13 starts for Maholm." Second half numbers from McCann.

    You take the optimistic view on everything Braves related....which is fine.....but don't in the same blog diss another writer for doing the same exact thing.

    You also claimed the Braves have a better rotation than the Nationals. The argument between the talent of the teams is a good one. But, the Nationals rotation is far superior to the Braves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    The stats you used were cherry picked. "last 13 starts for Maholm." Second half numbers from McCann.

    You take the optimistic view on everything Braves related....which is fine.....but don't in the same blog diss another writer for doing the same exact thing.

    You also claimed the Braves have a better rotation than the Nationals. The argument between the talent of the teams is a good one. But, the Nationals rotation is far superior to the Braves.
    ehhhhh

    Your use of superlatives is wrong.

    Last year the Braves and nationals rotations were virtually identical, slight advantage to the Nats on Ks and BB slight advantage to the Braves on IP and HR. Both teams shed their worst starter, the Nats getting Fister and the Braves using Beachy/Wood/Floyd.

    The Nats have the advantage with top end talent, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Fister and Gio are a fearsome 1-4. But their 5 is looking mighty shaky and their depth if there is injury is not too good. Braves meanwhile have no weak spots and great depth. Minor, Medlen, Julio, Beachy/Wood/Foyd gives you 5 guys who can all be low to mid 3 ERA guys. Nothing bad about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    ehhhhh

    Your use of superlatives is wrong.

    Last year the Braves and nationals rotations were virtually identical, slight advantage to the Nats on Ks and BB slight advantage to the Braves on IP and HR. Both teams shed their worst starter, the Nats getting Fister and the Braves using Beachy/Wood/Floyd.

    The Nats have the advantage with top end talent, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Fister and Gio are a fearsome 1-4. But their 5 is looking mighty shaky and their depth if there is injury is not too good. Braves meanwhile have no weak spots and great depth. Minor, Medlen, Julio, Beachy/Wood/Foyd gives you 5 guys who can all be low to mid 3 ERA guys. Nothing bad about that.

    There 5th starter spot (if they don't sign Burnett)

    Detwiler (13 GS) 3.66 FIP
    Roark (5 GS) 2.50 FIP
    Jordan (9 GS) 3.49 FIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    ehhhhh

    Your use of superlatives is wrong.

    Last year the Braves and nationals rotations were virtually identical, slight advantage to the Nats on Ks and BB slight advantage to the Braves on IP and HR. Both teams shed their worst starter, the Nats getting Fister and the Braves using Beachy/Wood/Floyd.

    The Nats have the advantage with top end talent, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Fister and Gio are a fearsome 1-4. But their 5 is looking mighty shaky and their depth if there is injury is not too good. Braves meanwhile have no weak spots and great depth. Minor, Medlen, Julio, Beachy/Wood/Foyd gives you 5 guys who can all be low to mid 3 ERA guys. Nothing bad about that.
    I would agree that the Nats rotation is better. But it's not far superior than the Braves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    The stats you used were cherry picked. "last 13 starts for Maholm." Second half numbers from McCann.

    You take the optimistic view on everything Braves related....which is fine.....but don't in the same blog diss another writer for doing the same exact thing.

    You also claimed the Braves have a better rotation than the Nationals. The argument between the talent of the teams is a good one. But, the Nationals rotation is far superior to the Braves.
    Nats rotation is better, i wouldnt say far superior though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    The stats you used were cherry picked. "last 13 starts for Maholm." Second half n

    umbers from McCann.

    You take the optimistic view on everything Braves related....which is fine.....but don't in the same blog diss another writer for doing the same exact thing.

    You also claimed the Braves have a better rotation than the Nationals. The argument between the talent of the teams is a good one. But, the Nationals rotation is far superior to the Braves.
    He said the Braves would miss Hudson and Maholm. I pointed out stats that say the Braves WILL NOT miss Hudson and Maholm.

    He said the Braves would miss McCann. I pointed out stats that say the Braves WILL NOT miss McCann.

    See what I did there? I made a counter point to his opinions and I had stats to back up my opinions. That's why you call it cherry picking and I call it poking a hole in his balloon.

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    The Braves will most certainly miss Hudson. There is nothing wrong with saying that. If nothing changes, we are going to have Garcia as our #5. Ugh. Just close your eyes and think about it. Wood will be in YOUR bullpen for a bit, too, after that.

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    We will miss McCann. No doubt in my mind. But we're hoping that the Braves players who played poorly will bounce back and hoping that no one has an unforseen collapse. We're certainly losing something going from McCann to Gattis, though potentially we're gaining elsewhere. So it's a wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
    He said the Braves would miss Hudson and Maholm. I pointed out stats that say the Braves WILL NOT miss Hudson and Maholm.

    He said the Braves would miss McCann. I pointed out stats that say the Braves WILL NOT miss McCann.

    See what I did there? I made a counter point to his opinions and I had stats to back up my opinions. That's why you call it cherry picking and I call it poking a hole in his balloon.
    Except the Braves will indeed miss those players. Anyone who can sit here and say we are a better team WITHOUT Mac (who is at worst the 4th best catcher in baseball) and Huddy/Maholm is being a HUGE homer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
    A few weeks ago David Schoenfield wrote a piece about how the Nats would win the NL East in 2014. Well I wrote a rebuttal to that in I think the Braves will be better in 2014.

    http://bigtbliss.blogspot.com/2013/12/my-rebuttal.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary82 View Post
    Try some better typefaces. Chewy makes me cry. :(
    Why does it make you cry?

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