GDT 6/27 vs Reds

[CyYoung31]

Way early, but what's the cheap seat appraisal of Muller to this point? Good results, but it's the first time through the league.

Probably needs another pitch. It’s all going to come down to control though. He may end up as another Newcomb, but I feel like he’s got a better head on him.

[Hudson2]

Mets, Marlins, Pirates, Marlins gets us through to the ASB. If they don’t get above .500 here, they may never.

This. If they don’t do it during that stretch they probably won’t.

[TURBO]

[msstate7]

Sure would be nice if Adam Frazier and Rodriguez were on the braves when we play the pirates again.

[Julio3000]

Probably needs another pitch. It’s all going to come down to control though. He may end up as another Newcomb, but I feel like he’s got a better head on him.

Agreed on all counts. I know it’s early, but that’s been my snap impression of him, too. We’ve seen a lot of guys with good arms who get ground down by the mental aspect of the game when they get to the bigs. I like how he bounced back from his shaky debut. He seems to trust his stuff.

[Garmel]

Sure would be nice if Adam Frazier and Rodriguez were on the braves when we play the pirates again.

It would be nice. Where would Frazier hit in our lineup? Of course he'd be best hitting 1st but we know that won't happen. Where would Snitker put him?

[msstate7]

It would be nice. Where would Frazier hit in our lineup? Of course he'd be best hitting 1st but we know that won't happen. Where would Snitker put him?

Acuna
FF
Albies
Riley
Frazier
Swanson
Heredia
Contreras/smith

[Garmel]

Acuna
FF
Albies
Riley
Frazier
Swanson
Heredia
Contreras/smith

I could see that.

[CyYoung31]

I highly doubt he threw a sinker, and I highly doubt it’s one of the best sinkers in MLB.

[Hudson2]

Acuna
FF
Albies
Riley
Frazier
Swanson
Heredia
Contreras/smith

Acuna
Frazier
Freeman
TD (when he’s back)
Albies
Riley
Swanson
Heredia

That wouldn’t be bad actually

[thewupk]

I highly doubt he threw a sinker, and I highly doubt it’s one of the best sinkers in MLB.

Didn't we already determine that those stats were a joke?

[thewupk]

I missed both games this weekend. Looks I missed a gem and a stinker. Which pretty much sums up our season to this point.

[CyYoung31]

Didn't we already determine that those stats were a joke?

Pretty much. Posted it for a laugh.

[msstate7]

I missed both games this weekend. Looks I missed a gem and a stinker. Which pretty much sums up our season to this point.

That's over though starting this week, 5-1 incoming

[thewupk]

That's over though starting this week, 5-1 incoming

okay thethe

[CyYoung31]

okay thethe

He’s wrong. It will be 6-0.

[msstate7]

okay thethe

I consider that a compliment. thethe is my mentor on baseball and all things political. I'm not completely there on prospect projections and all the inner workings of election riggin', but I'm learning

[msstate7]

He’s wrong. It will be 6-0.

Hopefully the braves deliver so one of us will have a nice consolation after this little series in Omaha

[Garmel]

Didn't we already determine that those stats were a joke?

Baseball Savant shows every pitch besides his changeup having below average vertical movement. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb

[Enscheff]

I highly doubt he threw a sinker, and I highly doubt it’s one of the best sinkers in MLB.

He has no pitch classified as a sinker. The pitches identified by statcast are FA, SL, CU and CH. So already this metric is sketchy.

His FA sitting at 94.4 is roughly average MLB velocity nowadays. The 8.4" of rise is a bit below average, and so is the 4.5" of horizontal movement. His spin rate of 2467 is well above MLB average of 2301, so there is potentially room to improve this pitch. Right now it's pretty average though.

The SL is firm at 87.4 with average sink of roughly 1.7". The issue is it has almost no horizontal break at 0.2", which is like Grade 35. It's his most thrown off speed pitch, but it simply doesn't have very good shape, and might be what people are calling a sinker. It would be a very slow SI with elite sink and no horizontal movement...but it's not a sinker.

The CU is also firm at 81.2, but this pitch actually has useful shape to it. It sinks -6.6", which is plus, and moves glove side 3.1", which is a bit below average. This a power downer curve that is most definitely his best breaking ball.

He only threw 8 CHs so far, and it is a bit firm compared to the FA at 88.8. It does have above plus sink with only 2.4" of rise, and Grade 55 or better arm side run of 8.6". This pitch has potential, and like most pitchers, the development of this pitch will make him more than a BP arm.

I seem to remember hearing about Muller as some guy who added velocity and was pushing close to triple digits. I also remember something along the lines of "best FA and CU in the minors". That certainly doesn't appear to be the case based on his MLB statcast data so far, or at least I hope those aren't the best FA and CU in the organization.

There are definitely raw ingredients present to make a valuable SP. The velocity and spin rate is there on the FA, and if that can be fine tuned into a better shape that would be a great improvement. The CU is already an out pitch, so if the CH can be developed he will have the requisite arsenal of a 3/4 SP. Then it all boils down to command and execution, just like it does for every single pitcher that ever played this sport.