Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[The Chosen One]

Newcomb is a lost cause. He’s not gonna make it for us.

[bravesfanforlife88]

I think the Braves while hoping for the best need to be operating under the assumption that Soroka will never throw another pitch for the organization again.

Beyond that Wright pitched well in the WS but that was just a few innnings. Ynoa only has 2 pitches. Mueller lost his stuff and Touki and Newk can’t find control.

Basically I’m saying I think we need some additional depth.

Between the 6 of them, you should be able to create 30 starts, probably for cheaper than you would pay a Smyly-type pitcher.

[drewdat]

Lexicographers assemble! I think there needs to be a new word in the dictionary to describe how bad Pache was during his stint in the big leagues in 2021. I'm not going to put him in his baseball grave, but I'm not counting on him for 2022. Presence of the DH can cover some things, but it can't cover the level of performance we saw in 2021. Curious to see what type of CF insurance is in place as the 2022 team is assembled.

Melvinous

[Slippyjms]

Between the 6 of them, you should be able to create 30 starts, probably for cheaper than you would pay a Smyly-type pitcher.

But if we’re assuming Soroka never pitches again and we’re filling the 4 and 5 spots then we’re looking at 5 pitchers to cobble together 60 starts between them.

[jpx7]

Between the 6 of them, you should be able to create 30 starts, probably for cheaper than you would pay a Smyly-type pitcher.

Never can have too much depth. I still think they need a Greinke-type play around the Smyly price-range.

[50PoundHead]

Newcomb is a lost cause. He’s not gonna make it for us.

I was looking at the end-of-season 40-man the other day. I was never under the impression that there was going to be any kind of Rule 5 crunch, but I was surprised how we could create all kinds of room just by releasing underperformers with Newcomb at or near the top of the list.

[jpx7]

This is an unhinged, thethe-level thought, but would anyone trade Ozuna for Donaldson, and slot him as the DH?

He makes $50m over the next two seasons, could mostly DH to keep him healthy, but would give you flexibility at 3B and 1B (versus Ozuna, who is pretty much just a DH who can stand in LF). Meanwhile, Ozuna is set to earn $49m over the next three seasons, so the Twins could spread out the annual commitment, and moreover probably save a solid chunk in 2022, since Ozuna is likely to serve a healthy suspension.

So the Braves pay off the Ozuna commitment sooner, in the form of Donaldson, and get a player they can actually feel comfortable keeping on the roster. The Twins spread out what they owe to Donaldson, and probably end up saving a bit in 2022, as well. Off-the-wall, but something that struck me yesterday, seeing that the Twins are already looking to get out from under Donaldson's contract. And a bad-contract-for-Ozuna trade is probably the only way the Braves can jettison him without just eating what they owe and releasing him.

[50PoundHead]

This is an unhinged, thethe-level thought, but would anyone trade Ozuna for Donaldson, and slot him as the DH?

He makes $50m over the next two seasons, could mostly DH to keep him healthy, but would give you flexibility at 3B and 1B (versus Ozuna, who is pretty much just a DH who can stand in LF). Meanwhile, Ozuna is set to earn $49m over the next three seasons, so the Twins could spread out the annual commitment, and moreover probably save a solid chunk in 2022, since Ozuna is likely to serve a healthy suspension.

So the Braves pay off the Ozuna commitment sooner, in the form of Donaldson, and get a player they can actually feel comfortable keeping on the roster. The Twins spread out what they owe to Donaldson, and probably end up saving a bit in 2022, as well. Off-the-wall, but something that struck me yesterday, seeing that the Twins are already looking to get out from under Donaldson's contract. And a bad-contract-for-Ozuna trade is probably the only way the Braves can jettison him without just eating what they owe and releasing him.

I don't think the Twins would do it, partially because I think Ozuna is going to be radioactive. But if the Braves were to get Donaldson back and re-sign Pederson, there would be a daily bad hair contest.

[Metaphysicist]

Lexicographers assemble! I think there needs to be a new word in the dictionary to describe how bad Pache was during his stint in the big leagues in 2021. I'm not going to put him in his baseball grave, but I'm not counting on him for 2022. Presence of the DH can cover some things, but it can't cover the level of performance we saw in 2021. Curious to see what type of CF insurance is in place as the 2022 team is assembled.

It was certainly a Martian debut. (RIP)

[McCann'sCans]

I certainly don't want to put my faith in Kyle Wright again, but I wouldn't hate him getting a couple of starts early next season. To me, he is a different case than most fringe guys. Usually with a AAAA guy, they just don't have the stuff to be a MLB caliber starter. For Wright, it seems to be less about stuff and more about mindset, confidence, and adjustments. If a really important and quality outing in the WS could help anything, it would be confidence.

I'm sure Enscheff has done a breakdown on his stuff and its actually not as good as I think it is, but I still think there is a shot he could be a quality mid-back end of the rotation guy. That said, I will 100% understand if the Braves are done trying and he ends up doing that for someone else.

[thethe]

This is an unhinged, thethe-level thought, but would anyone trade Ozuna for Donaldson, and slot him as the DH?

He makes $50m over the next two seasons, could mostly DH to keep him healthy, but would give you flexibility at 3B and 1B (versus Ozuna, who is pretty much just a DH who can stand in LF). Meanwhile, Ozuna is set to earn $49m over the next three seasons, so the Twins could spread out the annual commitment, and moreover probably save a solid chunk in 2022, since Ozuna is likely to serve a healthy suspension.

So the Braves pay off the Ozuna commitment sooner, in the form of Donaldson, and get a player they can actually feel comfortable keeping on the roster. The Twins spread out what they owe to Donaldson, and probably end up saving a bit in 2022, as well. Off-the-wall, but something that struck me yesterday, seeing that the Twins are already looking to get out from under Donaldson's contract. And a bad-contract-for-Ozuna trade is probably the only way the Braves can jettison him without just eating what they owe and releasing him.

I'm honored at the invocation.

[thethe]

I certainly don't want to put my faith in Kyle Wright again, but I wouldn't hate him getting a couple of starts early next season. To me, he is a different case than most fringe guys. Usually with a AAAA guy, they just don't have the stuff to be a MLB caliber starter. For Wright, it seems to be less about stuff and more about mindset, confidence, and adjustments. If a really important and quality outing in the WS could help anything, it would be confidence.

I'm sure Enscheff has done a breakdown on his stuff and its actually not as good as I think it is, but I still think there is a shot he could be a quality mid-back end of the rotation guy. That said, I will 100% understand if the Braves are done trying and he ends up doing that for someone else.

Pretty sure Encheff had him evaluated as a back end rotation piece which would work just fine for us considering his contract.

[Enscheff]

I certainly don't want to put my faith in Kyle Wright again, but I wouldn't hate him getting a couple of starts early next season. To me, he is a different case than most fringe guys. Usually with a AAAA guy, they just don't have the stuff to be a MLB caliber starter. For Wright, it seems to be less about stuff and more about mindset, confidence, and adjustments. If a really important and quality outing in the WS could help anything, it would be confidence.

I'm sure Enscheff has done a breakdown on his stuff and its actually not as good as I think it is, but I still think there is a shot he could be a quality mid-back end of the rotation guy. That said, I will 100% understand if the Braves are done trying and he ends up doing that for someone else.

I did a review on his stuff, and I was surprised at how mediocre it was overall. I remember being more excited about Wright falling to the Braves at 5 than I've been about any other draft pick. He ended up having 5 average-ish pitches, with nothing being standout. That's a #3/#4 unless the control allows it to play up, and Wright has shown an inability to execute much of anything consistently. But he certainly isn't a guy like Fried who had a monster measurable skill (RPM on the breaking stuff) that we could dream on. The guy like that right now is Touki and his breaking ball, but Newk fits in there as well.

Of course, that Wright evaluation was several years old now, and things may have changed, but I will never again have an opinion on a pitcher until I have statcast data for his pitches. The whole "Anderson has a 1700 RPM spin rate on his curve" nonsense sealed the deal for me on that.

[NYCBrave]

“I only have a few things to say,” Braves shortstop Dansby Swanson said. “First of all, this trophy, this is ours, everybody. And the other thing, it might get me in trouble, but re-sign Freddie.”

[thewupk]

“I only have a few things to say,” Braves shortstop Dansby Swanson said. “First of all, this trophy, this is ours, everybody. And the other thing, it might get me in trouble, but re-sign Freddie.”

“What up Atlanta,” Pederson asked after swaggering up to get the mic in shorts and holding a cigar. “Hey guess what? We are those motherf***ers!”

[Buzzworm]

“What up Atlanta,” Pederson asked after swaggering up to get the mic in shorts and holding a cigar. “Hey guess what? We are those motherf***ers!”

Ya it didn’t have quite the same effect when Old Joe Got the crowd chanting it haha

[DirkPiggler]

Ya it didn’t have quite the same effect when Old Joe Got the crowd chanting it haha

I thought it was cool as sh*t that Joe did that.

[CJ9]

DOB just guessed six years, $165-175m for Freddie. We’re kind of in a spot now where you can’t let him go elsewhere, but getting near $30 million definitely concerns me. Would hope we could at least front load it if the deal is going to be around that.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Just doesnt seem like the way Braves go about things to me. Unless the Braves are going into the $180M or above payroll.

[Carp]

Do you think either Pache/Waters are better than the third player in a package for a guy with Reynolds surplus value?

Pache, yes. He's every bit still a top prospect. He had a bad showing in the majors, but he got back on track in AAA. Waters bake took a little more of a hit, but there's still a lot to like about him.

I think people are experiencing a bit of prospect fatigue on the them due to 2019 being the last time we saw playing at a high level. But we have remember that 2020 was a lost season for basically everyone.