Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[thethe]

Good lord… people are BRAVES fans. They are coming if we are good.

Both sides are overthinking this but this is the right answer.

[bravesfanMatt]

I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone that bullpens are a good resource allocation based on recent trends.

Bullpens are important.. but still extremely risky. I wouldn't say they are 'good' resource allocations blindly. They are still part time players who are in that risky 'pitcher' group. Best way to build a good pen is probably home grown talent supplemented with savvy pick ups.

The Braves need a good RH reliver, but I don't know if spending 10 million AVV is best for this team. We might just have to pick and hope and then look with in.

[Enscheff]

I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone that bullpens are a good resource allocation based on recent trends.

It's equally obvious you're once again missing the whole point, and only focusing on whatever piece of that point supports the narrative you're currently playing on repeat in your head.

BPs are very effective, especially in the playoffs when they can be leveraged even more. However, BP arms are still the most volatile asset in the sport, so committing to them long term is a bad strategy.

[thethe]

It's equally obvious you're once again missing the whole point, and only focusing on whatever piece of that point supports the narrative you're currently playing on repeat in your head.

BPs are very effective, especially in the playoffs when they can be leveraged even more. However, BP arms are still the most volatile asset in the sport, so committing to them long term is a bad strategy.

I agree long term contracts are ineffective with relievers.

The debate was whether to spend the last 8-12M on a one year starter (Grienke/etc...) or the bullpen. I think when you consider whats on the farm right now it makes much more sense to commit those funds to a right handed high leverage relief arm.

Nobody wants to give a 3 year 30 million dollar contract to a bullpen arm that I've seen here....

[chop2chip]

Good lord… people are BRAVES fans. They are coming if we are good. Stop making something it’s not …

What’s bizarre is the two most popular Braves of the past decade are Heyward and Acuna.

What a weird take, SAV

[thethe]

What’s bizarre is the two most popular Braves of the past decade are Heyward and Acuna.

What a weird take, SAV

Demand is greater than supply

[chop2chip]

I agree long term contracts are ineffective with relievers.

The debate was whether to spend the last 8-12M on a one year starter (Grienke/etc...) or the bullpen. I think when you consider whats on the farm right now it makes much more sense to commit those funds to a right handed high leverage relief arm.

Nobody wants to give a 3 year 30 million dollar contract to a bullpen arm that I've seen here....

A reliable innings eater that can soak up between 120-150 innings next year will do more to help our October bullpen than whatever single relief pitcher you can find that wants to sign for a single year at 10 million.

[Enscheff]

I agree long term contracts are ineffective with relievers.

The debate was whether to spend the last 8-12M on a one year starter (Grienke/etc...) or the bullpen. I think when you consider whats on the farm right now it makes much more sense to commit those funds to a right handed high leverage relief arm.

Nobody wants to give a 3 year 30 million dollar contract to a bullpen arm that I've seen here....

OK, then let's try to identify that RH BP arm we want on a 1 year deal. Start here, and sort by projected WAR:

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-res...racker?&pos=rp

Plug all the RHP on that list through Melancon with a positive 2021 WAR (a pseudo-random stopping point), and check their xwOBA vs RHH the last 3 years.

Here's the best of the bunch:

Yates, Kirby .216
Graveman, Kendall .249
Neris, Héctor .249
Iglesias, Raisel .251
Knebel, Corey .261
Jansen, Kenley .263
Ottavino, Adam .266
GTepera, Ryan .268

I don't want an $8M flier on Yates, or to spend $7M on Graveman, so give me Neris, Ottavino or Tepera for much less cash.

[Enscheff]

As look to be selling: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/...tt-montas.html

Olson fits well as a replacement for Freeman, and I've always wanted to see what mediocre-MLB-ready assets AA could send to the As for a player like that.

A trade for a piece like Reynolds or Olson frees up a lot of cash to make additions elsewhere. I'd love to see something like that happen.

[Tapate50]

What’s bizarre is the two most popular Braves of the past decade are Heyward and Acuna.

What a weird take, SAV

Ozzie it outrageously popular.

Personally- until his postseason this year I’m not sure FF would have ranked in the top 2 most popular Braves. I have several friends that outwardly dislike FF. Can’t say that for many other Braves.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

I think Yates is a good option specially if he come back in great shape and Will Smith come back to become regular season Will Smith.
Neris is wild, Ottavino or Tepera they are not 9th inning material. Yates for 6 millions with a second year option and a buy out of 2 millions is not bad at all.

[msstate7]

Atlanta needs more white guys

SJ is doing a YouTube video over your post

[thethe]

A reliable innings eater that can soak up between 120-150 innings next year will do more to help our October bullpen than whatever single relief pitcher you can find that wants to sign for a single year at 10 million.

I’m taking my chances on the 6-8 options we have for the final two spots and get a high leverage right handed relief arm for the pen.

[Mad Dog Murph]

Ozzie it outrageously popular.

Personally- until his postseason this year I’m not sure FF would have ranked in the top 2 most popular Braves. I have several friends that outwardly dislike FF. Can’t say that for many other Braves.

You need better friends

[bravesfanMatt]

I’m taking my chances on the 6-8 options we have for the final two spots and get a high leverage right handed relief arm for the pen.

I can see your arguement now. Sorry. It is a very interesting debate on building to get there and building to win it there. You need both.

[thethe]

I can see your arguement now. Sorry. It is a very interesting debate on building to get there and building to win it there. You need both.

No need to apologize.

I think looking at it in a vacuum is the wrong approach.

Of course I'd rather get 120-150 quality innings for 10M over a plus 60 innings in the pen ignoring current team construction.

I just think we need the capital resource allocation to move towards the pen over the starting rotation when considering what we have as in-house solutions.

[bravesfanMatt]

Man. I am almost on the let FF walk wagon. What the F is wrong with me. Love that guy. But we could fill a lot of needs and get a compensation pick to boot. Is my inner HH emerging.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Man. I am almost on the let FF walk wagon. What the F is wrong with me. Love that guy. But we could fill a lot of needs and get a compensation pick to boot. Is my inner HH emerging.

We can sign Matt Adams to play first! 🤓

[Tapate50]

What is Scott Thorman up to?

[Tapate50]

Man. I am almost on the let FF walk wagon. What the F is wrong with me. Love that guy. But we could fill a lot of needs and get a compensation pick to boot. Is my inner HH emerging.

Absolutely not. He’s why the single game ticket buyers show up, without him attendance would crater and the battery would go bust and we’d have to trade Acuna.