Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[bravesfanMatt]

Verlander... really.. haven't we already had enough uptons here?!?!?

Man, that would be a sick rotation.. and to think if Wright makes a move and Maple Maddux gets healthy for the playoff run..

[thewupk]

His wife already has a Braves jersey too

[thethe]

Verlander... really.. haven't we already had enough uptons here?!?!?

Man, that would be a sick rotation.. and to think if Wright makes a move and Maple Maddux gets healthy for the playoff run..

If Soroka ends up healthy it might be interesting to see what can be done by dangling Anderson.

[thethe]

His wife already has a Braves jersey too

Some people just win the genetic lottery.

Thanks for cropping!

[jpx7]

Finding a way out of the Ozuna contract is a huge priority. And if beating up your wife doesn't keep you from making your millions, then MLB has a big problem.

I'm still hoping the team can get a Rain Check for the rest of Ozuna's contract.

[50PoundHead]

Folks have been mentioning Reynolds as an acquisition target, but I was reading some analysis at another site and they were wondering what the Twins will do with Byron Buxton. There would be immediate costs in terms of prospect value and Buxton is an FA after 2022 (and is no guarantee to stay on the field), but I would still check in on what it might take to land him. Twins are desperate for pitching.

[Hudson2]

Folks have been mentioning Reynolds as an acquisition target, but I was reading some analysis at another site and they were wondering what the Twins will do with Byron Buxton. There would be immediate costs in terms of prospect value and Buxton is an FA after 2022 (and is no guarantee to stay on the field), but I would still check in on what it might take to land him. Twins are desperate for pitching.

I know we were interested at the trade deadline but I’d pass. I wouldn’t give up prospects for 1 year of somebody that’s injury prone. Reynolds will cost a lot more but he’d be worth it.

[clvclv]

Just spitballing here, but in the unlikely event they could afford the 6 years/$200 million - $35 million per year - it would be awfully easy to make the argument that that money would be better spent giving Verlander the same deal they gave Morton, Rizzo 2 years/$26 million, Melancon 1 year/$8 million, trading Pache/Langeliers or Contreras/Wright for Reynolds, using Duvall as your DH, and playing Waters and Heredia in LF with Lugbauer added to the bench to potentially DH when you want Duvall to play defense and Rodriguez DFAd to make room for Melancon.

If you're using Ben Clemens' projections, doing all that would bring payroll in at roughly $162.5 million without Ozuna, and the only commitments beyond 2024 would be Acuna and Albies. If Ozuna's added at midseason that would push payroll to around $170 million.

[Jay212033]

Folks have been mentioning Reynolds as an acquisition target, but I was reading some analysis at another site and they were wondering what the Twins will do with Byron Buxton. There would be immediate costs in terms of prospect value and Buxton is an FA after 2022 (and is no guarantee to stay on the field), but I would still check in on what it might take to land him. Twins are desperate for pitching.

Dude has NEVER had over 500 AB in the ML.

[jpx7]

It’s funny lurking on some Facebook groups with majority of casual fans saying things like

”give him 8 years 200 million”
”pay the man he deserves 35 million a year”

and unrealistic stuff like that.

makes me appreciate our board here more. Because it seems no matter which side of the analytics or old school side you’re on here, seems we almost all agree that paying a 32 year old first baseman a 6-8 year contract and 200 million is not a good idea and hopefully AA doesn’t do that.

Reddit is the same way—and I usually expect Reddit to be at least a little bit wiser than Facebook. But not in this case.

[Heyward]

not gonna lie the thought of Verlander rules.

When is Verlander expected to be ready? July?

He should probably be ready on Opening Day. I dont think we get him though.

[thewupk]

Reddit is the same way—and I usually expect Reddit to be at least a little bit wiser than Facebook. But not in this case.

Reddit is the equivalent of ESPN forums back in the day

[chop2chip]

Reddit is the equivalent of ESPN forums back in the day

When I’m bored after a big win or crushing Phillies/Mets loss, I enjoy dipping into the Phillies/Mets Reddit for the schadenfreude.

[Tapate50]

If FF balks, you'd have to think Minnesota would be open to getting rid of Donaldson.

[Heyward]

If Braves are in on Verlander and still want Freeman back, as well as bullpen help and outfield/DH, who the hell even knows what OD payroll is gonna be.

[Heyward]

Belt to accept his QO, everyone else rejected them per Passan.

[WaitingFor2017]

Reddit is the equivalent of ESPN forums back in the day

Yes. You cannot be critical of Brian Snitker at any point in any game on that forum.

[CJ9]

Verlander back to Houston.

[McCann'sCans]

Well that hope was short lived.

[Enscheff]

Just spitballing here, but in the unlikely event they could afford the 6 years/$200 million - $35 million per year - it would be awfully easy to make the argument that that money would be better spent giving Verlander the same deal they gave Morton, Rizzo 2 years/$26 million, Melancon 1 year/$8 million, trading Pache/Langeliers or Contreras/Wright for Reynolds, using Duvall as your DH, and playing Waters and Heredia in LF with Lugbauer added to the bench to potentially DH when you want Duvall to play defense and Rodriguez DFAd to make room for Melancon.

If you're using Ben Clemens' projections, doing all that would bring payroll in at roughly $162.5 million without Ozuna, and the only commitments beyond 2024 would be Acuna and Albies. If Ozuna's added at midseason that would push payroll to around $170 million.

The exact names are impossible to predict, but the idea that a WS contender can be built without shackling the team to 6+ years of a 32 year old 1B is certainly valid.

In the end, that's what I expect AA to do. Remember when AA wouldn't even give Brantley 2 years? He's already stretched out to mid range 3 and 4 year FA deals, and it shouldn't be too hard to extrapolate from those deals just how bad it could be giving Freeman $180M+.

An offer for 5/135 already makes Freeman the highest paid 1B in the game, as well as the largest contract in Braves history. AA has already extended further than a mid-market team should with that offer, and if that's not enough I don't think it's wise to stretch further.