Word is 5 years / $100mOriginally Posted by Heyward
Word is 5 years / $100m
Get off my lawn!
I’d do that.
Not necessarily. Kinda odd to me that the automatic assumption is that these guys are leaving huge money on the table when they take $20+ million AAV when it's offered. Starting Pitchers - more than any other player - can see their future potential earnings disappear in a heartbeat. Musgrove will be pitching for his hometown team the rest of his career if he takes that type of deal, and will have guaranteed that his family is set for several generations to come - and he never has to worry about whether or not one pitch might end his career.
The knee-jerk reaction that many people have is that players who take deals before reaching free-agency are "stupid" because they are somehow giving hometown discounts. Truth be told, the guys that get to a position where they're where their family wants to live and they're going to make more money than they ever dreamed of are simply making a mature decision.
Is there a chance they could have made more money? Sure. Could they wind up looking like fools (Freeman) because they tried to leverage that into more money from the team they wanted to play for and wind up having to go somewhere else? Absolutely.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Rockies just extended Bard for 2 more seasons.
They are a last place team and now have a 37 year old BP arm signed through his age 39 season. You really can’t make this stuff up.
I am trying to find a reason. Anyway they do this and trade him for a better prospect? Just doesn’t make sense.
Coppy
Yeah pretty dumb move, getting anything for him would be a win. But yeah...
No one wants a 37 year old reliever on a multi-year deal. So, no. They just tanked his trade value.
And he’s not even that good.
Looks like we are getting that homerun chase. Only time I'll root for a Yankee.
No. I agree. Just trying to find any rationale for what they just did.
Coppy
I'd agree with the first part - the second part is at least somewhat arguable.
10.27 K/9, 53.8% GB%, and less than 1 HR/9 plays pretty much anywhere - and would be awfully good with the Braves' defense behind him.
The ERA and xERA are pretty deflated when looking at his xFIP, but if he had the Braves' infielders gobbling up those grounders and Harris and Acuna to go get it he'd be pretty *amn good even in that park.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Lol only clv would try and somehow back up this move.
It's not a good move for the Rockies. Saying Bard isnt a good player isnt true though.
jpx7 (07-31-2022)
He’s been good this year. Overall for his career, he has not been that great dude.
I just don’t see why it makes a meaningful difference either way. They can trade him next year if they want to. MAYBE they get a worse prospect.
Like I said earlier, it’s a rare thing for the Rockies to find pitchers who want to be there without a huge overpay. I understand the temptation to keep him around.
Last edited by chop2chip; 07-30-2022 at 06:09 PM.
jpx7 (07-31-2022)
Continuing to show your stupidity - completely agreed with his take that it was a stupid move for the Rockies. Pointed out that Bard has pitched well this season - which he has - and the numbers back it up.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Touki made his Angels debut last night against Texas.
4 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Looks like a typical Touki line.
Bard is a perfectly fine BP arm that many contenders would love to add to their BP. Giving him a 2 year deal is something many teams would have considered had he become a FA, but he probably would have had to settle for a 1 year pact. So of course he “wants to be there” if the team is willing to overpay at the end of his career.
The issue is the Rockies are terrible and have no need for an old and expensive BP arm. They should be flipping those assets for young players that could help them get better. Why they think they need a closer to protect the 70 wins they will accumulate is unknowable.
FG just roasted this FO: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/rockies-...o-daniel-bard/
“The franchise’s decision-makers have demonstrated little understanding, in 2022 terms, of why good baseball teams are good baseball teams, why bad baseball teams are bad baseball teams, and what events cause teams in one category to shift to the other one.”
And the ultimate reason it continues?
“as long as the Rockies keep getting nearly 3 million fans in the park not demanding anything different with their wallets, there’s little reason to think things will change.”
Last edited by Enscheff; 07-31-2022 at 10:47 AM.
I don’t disagree with any of this. If I were a Rockies fan, I would prefer they trade Bard. He’s not going to be around to help the next good Rockies team. The marginal prospect they possibly would have gotten might have. But they still have to continue building a roster and the list of quality pitching options available to them doesn’t to them. It’s not the most optimized efficient way to build a team for sure.
Comparing it to a diet - I would liken signing Bard as ordering a soda vs a water at a restaurant. Whereas trading Arenado (and eating his contract) just to turnaround and use the savings to sign Kris Bryant would be like getting a soda fountain installed in your home.
At some point some team just needs to stick Touki in the bullpen and let him focus on that.
jpx7 (07-31-2022)
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