Ukraine

[zitothebrave]

Zito if you were Obama what would you do? Ask Putin to stop?

I wouldn't incite potentially WW3. You don't treat Russia the same way you treat other countries, a war between the US and Russia can end very fast with most if not all of the world being destroyed.

[Krgrecw]

I wouldn't incite potentially WW3. You don't treat Russia the same way you treat other countries, a war between the US and Russia can end very fast with most if not all of the world being destroyed.

So what would you do that would work? What message can you send to make him pull out and back off?

[thethe]

I wouldn't incite potentially WW3. You don't treat Russia the same way you treat other countries, a war between the US and Russia can end very fast with most if not all of the world being destroyed.

So them invading Ukraine is tolerable? You have to react to this.

[Krgrecw]

So them invading Ukraine is tolerable? You have to react to this.

And if you don't you're a pussy and it means they win and are a bigger man

If someone goes to prison the most important thing is to stand your ground for obvious reasons. Same thing in life. Same thing here. You stand up for yourself


During the 2008 presidential campaign, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin warned that if Senator Barack Obama were elected president, his "indecision" and "moral equivalence" may encourage Russia's Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine.
Palin said then:
After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next.


That's what happens when you don't stand your ground and keep people in check. Palins got bigger balls then Obama

[The Chosen One]

So them invading Ukraine is tolerable? You have to react to this.

I'd ask for West Ukraine and East Ukraine like Germany prior. Southeast Ukraine is in love with Putin and Russia. Serbia Croatia Montenegro Kosovo Slovakia Czech Republic all have broken up over ethnic ideological and inner differences.

[zitothebrave]

So them invading Ukraine is tolerable? You have to react to this.

Never said it's tolerable.

I don't have access to all the diplomatic, etc. Information and tools that the president has access to. I have no clue how to handle it.

That said, there's no way I get troops involved if Congress doesn't declare war. At the very least the UN has to pass a resolution.

[zitothebrave]

That's what happens when you don't stand your ground and keep people in check. Palins got bigger balls then Obama

What are you even talking about? Do you get all your political information from the comments section on yahoo?

[thethe]

I'd ask for West Ukraine and East Ukraine like Germany prior. Southeast Ukraine is in love with Putin and Russia. Serbia Croatia Montenegro Kosovo Slovakia Czech Republic all have broken up over ethnic ideological and inner differences.

I think this could be a potential solution but just another example of Putin acting up and gaining something.

[zitothebrave]

I think this could be a potential solution but just another example of Putin acting up and gaining something.

There's an old saying about pride and falling. Don't recall what it is. But at some point the Russian people will oust Putin especially if he keeps this up.

[thethe]

There's an old saying about pride and falling. Don't recall what it is. But at some point the Russian people will oust Putin especially if he keeps this up.

Or they could rally around him. There is no love lost for the west in Russia. There will always be support for Putin and his ilk.

[The Chosen One]

I think this could be a potential solution but just another example of Putin acting up and gaining something.

Gaining what? Southeast Ukraine is a shizzho. The best cities are north and west. Putin would gain a third world country.

[Gary82]

Zito if you were Obama what would you do? Ask Putin to stop?

You seek out a diplomatic solution. All I know is that we won't go to war directly with Russia. The US has a pretty damn good track record when it comes to not going to war directly with Russia....or whatever they have been called.

[zitothebrave]

Or they could rally around him. There is no love lost for the west in Russia. There will always be support for Putin and his ilk.

There will always be support for lunatics. See people considering voting for Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann or a number of fringe candidates who're bat**** insane.

Eventually Putin will fail.

[thethe]

There will always be support for lunatics. See people considering voting for Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann or a number of fringe candidates who're bat**** insane.

Eventually Putin will fail.

You are really comparing the two levels of influence. Come on Zito...thats a joke.

[zitothebrave]

You are really comparing the two levels of influence. Come on Zito...thats a joke.

Putin for sure has more control. But remember in the end the ultimate goal for people as a society is to improve or revolt. That's what happened in the Ukraine. It will happen in Russia as well if they start reverting back to COld War era Russia where people were impoverished and so on so forth.

[Krgrecw]

You seek out a diplomatic solution. All I know is that we won't go to war directly with Russia. The US has a pretty damn good track record when it comes to not going to war directly with Russia....or whatever they have been called.

What diplomatic solution is there? Do you ask Putin to please leave Ukraine alone? Even with cherries on top? What if he doesn't? He never pulled his forces all the way out of Georgia. Ask yourself why would Putin stop if no one physically makes him stop? If




If I were Obama id tell putin that tomorrow afternoon id use every resource I have to start massive street demonstrations all throught Russia to overthrow his regime if he doesn't pull his forces out of Ukraine. If there's one thing Putin is scared of it's his people. That's why he imprisons and kills his opposition.

[goldfly]

i was curious how this thread was going to go today

and i see it has a person thinking Palin is a sane person to speak on foreign matters

thank you for the laugh

[zitothebrave]

What diplomatic solution is there? Do you ask Putin to please leave Ukraine alone? Even with cherries on top? What if he doesn't? He never pulled his forces all the way out of Georgia. Ask yourself why would Putin stop if no one physically makes him stop? If




If I were Obama id tell putin that tomorrow afternoon id use every resource I have to start massive street demonstrations all throught Russia to overthrow his regime if he doesn't pull his forces out of Ukraine. If there's one thing Putin is scared of it's his people. That's why he imprisons and kills his opposition.

So basically, you think looking good is more important than not having a nuclear war.

[Krgrecw]

Nuclear war is a joke. Don't you think they'd die too? What benefit would they have?



Also goldfly care to admit that Palin was right about this? Instead of calling her an idiot , with personal attacks, was she right or wrong?

[Oklahomahawk]

Putin is an evil and very dangerous man. I've always said that, even back to when W said something about that he could see into his soul (through his eyes) and that he felt like he was an OK dude or something along those lines. Putin is a old line hard core KGB officer who was just born at the wrong time to fit in, IMO.