Ukraine

[57Brave]

Why are Neo-Cons still given a platform on prime television talk --
and how come every time non sense like this gets into the national conversation someone inevitably qualifies their denunciation by disavowing Rachel Maddow?
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Rachel Maddow !! not sure how one makes that connection. Generational or ideologically.
How's bout a comparison of Brooks and EJ Dionne.

I can't picture Dionne throwing such an ill suited ignorant pandering bomb.
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[50PoundHead]

I was just trying to be fair and balanced and I don't particularly like Rachel Maddow and it's not because she's a lesbian. I actually think E.J. Dionne is one of the more balanced commentators out there. If you ever catch the Brooks/Dionne report on NPR on Fridays, Brooks always seems to push harder and Dionne tries to remain contemplative. I'll admit my biases may come into play.

[57Brave]

I have no interest in being fair and balanced. :)

We agree on Dionne. I find him insightful,even headed and reasonable to a fault. When wearing his Vatican coat he is very clear he has a bias --- which is refreshing

Maddow is an unapologetic liberal, uber informed and does not suffer fools. Whether they support her stances or disagree with her stances.
When she began on Air America over 10 years ago she was a liberal breath of fresh air.
She has data to back up everything she says and if she is shown to be wrong will correct on the air with her hat in her hand.

[weso1]

Maddow is the Sean Hannity of MSNBC. And both are lesbians as well.

[The Chosen One]

Maddow is the Sean Hannity of MSNBC. And both are lesbians as well.

[Hawk]

Putin is a total tyrant, but if Europe isn't going to do anything about him it puts us in a real bind.

What do you expect them to do, in reality? We're talking about a group of countries that, outside of Great Britain, Germany, and Scandinavia, is incredibly economically vulnerable -- and let's be honest, that's pretty much their only weapon of recourse.

[50PoundHead]

What do you expect them to do, in reality? We're talking about a group of countries that, outside of Great Britain, Germany, and Scandinavia, is incredibly economically vulnerable -- and let's be honest, that's pretty much their only weapon of recourse.

And Obama's the one with the supposed "manhood" problem? We're supposed to stop Putin when the folks in his own neighborhood don't truly care? It seems that restraint is in order top-to-bottom and that would include our reaction to the situation.

Of course, it boils down to economics. It always pretty much does.

[Krgrecw]

I think Europe cares they're just not secure enough to do anything about it. Do I think that if Putin crosses a line and America attacks him that Europe will join in? Yes. They're not leaders. They'll stand up after we do.


The UK or Germany could take out the Russian Army by themselves. They all know that

All Europe has to do is deploy sizable forces around Russia and then just stroll some forces into Ukraine. Putin would have only two moves. Either turn around and leave or get destroyed

[50PoundHead]

There was a column in The Economist about a month ago that was critical of Merkel's (and by extension Germany's) stance on this matter. I can't help but think that Germany wants it both ways and that their stance is understandable. They are extremely reliant on Russian energy sources and trade with Russia. Germany contends that it was diplomacy that brought down the wall and it's diplomacy that will prevail here. I guess we'll have to see. The carping in the United States is really coming from a somewhat isolated band of the political spectrum and the public--at least at this point--appears to be saying "Let Europe sort it out." I frankly don't know what the best approach would be, but there is no question that the West, as a whole, is severely limited unless it wants to pursue a "hot" war that would have a murky endgame.

[57Brave]

"...Germany wants it both ways and that their stance is understandable."

[57Brave]

Maddow is the Sean Hannity of MSNBC. And both are lesbians as well.

In what respect -- Maddow makes no pretense of being fair or balanced. And like I said above, IF and When she is shown to be wrong she gracefully apologizes and corrects.

Sometimes I wonder if people that see Maddow as nothing more than a convenient left wing punching bag have ever watched or listened to her more than once.
I listen to Hannity a couple times a week. And, he is not a lesbian --

[goldfly]

i watched Hannity for the first time in i have no idea last night

he was really pushing the scare line on pot for the Colorado 420 festival

his demeanor towards the woman on his panel reminded me why i hate him soo much

he doesn't seem very maddow to me but i haven't really ever watched her show. only see her on bill mahers show

not a big fan of hers but don't hate her either

[goldfly]

friend just visited his family over there

here are his pictures from the "frontline":

[57Brave]

What city?

[The Chosen One]

Is that Kiev?

[goldfly]

Luhansk Ukraine

[50PoundHead]

Thanks for posting the pics.

[weso1]

Is that Kiev?

Detroit, MI

[weso1]

In what respect -- Maddow makes no pretense of being fair or balanced. And like I said above, IF and When she is shown to be wrong she gracefully apologizes and corrects.

Sometimes I wonder if people that see Maddow as nothing more than a convenient left wing punching bag have ever watched or listened to her more than once.
I listen to Hannity a couple times a week. And, he is not a lesbian --

She's a gigantic homer. I saw the same Maher show crump watched, or maybe another one she was on, and I came away unimpressed. She came across as nothing more than a defense lawyer for the left like Hannity is to the right. Hannity does plenty of corrections and apologies, but like Maddow's they are insincere.

I think the fact that you agree with her politics makes you think she is more fair than she really is.

[57Brave]

I dont think she is fair at all.

I dont think she ever intends to be fair.

My mother told me at a very young age "life isnt fair" SO, I have a hard time grasping the notion that political advocacy / analysis is expected to be fair.
Fair in this context is a term coined by the Nixon Regime to sway public opinion on his impeachment.
Look it up

What I do think is she has a boundless curiosity and hard cold data that back up her conclusions.
You can agree or disagree with her points but you can not dispute the facts she brings to the table.

Hannity == not so much.
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please see the interview with Sen Warren