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    Harris also won June's NL rookie of the month so he's getting some recognition

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    None of us knew what Wright and Strider were gonna do going back not the season. If they hadn’t of performed like they had we’d still be 10 games out of 1st place. We needed another starter going into the season. I’d look to deal Anderson at the deadline if I could get a good bat back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Remember when we NEEDED starting pitching? Who knew that it would be because Anderson was a stiff now... (watch him pitch 18 innings 1 run ball in the playoffs this year)

    With Wright/Strider taking the leap this year AA can get VERY creative in the offseason.
    You can still never have enough pitching though. And tbd what Soroka does if he ever comes back to pitch.

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    Despite what folks said when Anderson was getting good results, he was always a #3/#4 if his command held up. Now he’s getting a little unlucky in the BABIP and LOB departments, and his his command has faltered a bit, so he’s performing like a #5. Fine, pitchers are volatile and sometimes they regress. He is still valuable.

    As others have pointed out, it was a given Morton would struggle coming back from injury, or Anderson would regress, or someone would get injured, or Wright would continue to be frustrating, or whatever else happens with pitchers. That’s why AA should have gotten another SP this off-season, as has been said and now confirmed a dozen times the last 3 months.

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    Three months ago Strider was merely a decent prospect, Wright had been awful in MLB up to that point, and Anderson just came off another amazing playoff run. These are the ebbs and flows of pitching, as frustrating as they are.

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    26% swinging strike rate on 93 pitches.

    That’s so incredibly elite.

    Strider is a stud and at this point he’d have to fail miserably to take him out of the rotation.

    Moving to a six man makes much much sense when soroka is back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    The change is already looking much more developed.

    I think one strength of the current regime is they're identifying players who can absorb and incorporate coaching quickly. That's what separates a Toussaint (as much as I love the kid) from a Strider, or a Waters (as much as I don't care) from a Harris.
    Which to me is a great point. It's still early, but to date, has AA traded away anyone who has really made a significant impact elsewhere? (The Olson trade is still obviously wait and see)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    Which to me is a great point. It's still early, but to date, has AA traded away anyone who has really made a significant impact elsewhere? (The Olson trade is still obviously wait and see)
    Even on the Olson trade, he kept Harris, Contreras and Strider. Traded away Shea, Pache, Cusick and Estes who play the same positions. Those three have been so vital to the Braves turning it around this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Funny thing is dude was on that pitch. Barely missed it for a hit.
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    Harris however was listed as being a top 100 prospect on multiple lists.

    So if he finished in the top 3 in ROY voting he will be granted a full year of service time this season. If he finished 2nd or 3rd the Braves would get an extra international draft pick if that's implemented (unlikely) and if he wins ROY then the Braves will get an extra pick in the amateur draft next year.

    Assuming he keeps playing well he's a lock for a top 3 finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Harris however was listed as being a top 100 prospect on multiple lists.

    So if he finished in the top 3 in ROY voting he will be granted a full year of service time this season. If he finished 2nd or 3rd the Braves would get an extra international draft pick if that's implemented (unlikely) and if he wins ROY then the Braves will get an extra pick in the amateur draft next year.
    Assuming he keeps playing well he's a lock for a top 3 finish.
    Strider was on opening day roster so if he finished in top 3 of ROY or top 5 of CY voting we get and extra pick next year. He also seems like a lock to be in top 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Harris however was listed as being a top 100 prospect on multiple lists.

    So if he finished in the top 3 in ROY voting he will be granted a full year of service time this season. If he finished 2nd or 3rd the Braves would get an extra international draft pick if that's implemented (unlikely) and if he wins ROY then the Braves will get an extra pick in the amateur draft next year.

    Assuming he keeps playing well he's a lock for a top 3 finish.
    He had to be on the opening day roster, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    26% swinging strike rate on 93 pitches.

    That’s so incredibly elite.

    Strider is a stud and at this point he’d have to fail miserably to take him out of the rotation.

    Moving to a six man makes much much sense when soroka is back.
    I think you’re spot on with the 6 man rotation, or some form of it. The Braves are very good at pitcher load management, and they can use the extra SP as a way to give some guys extra rest while keeping others on a set schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Strider was on opening day roster so if he finished in top 3 of ROY or top 5 of CY voting we get and extra pick next year. He also seems like a lock to be in top 3.
    Pretty sure you have to be a concensus top 100 prospect to get the pick. It's an effort to stop service time manipulation of top prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    He had to be on the opening day roster, right?
    No. He has to have a full season of sevice time. And if he's top 2 in the voting he automatically gets awarded a full season regardless of when he came up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Pretty sure you have to be a concensus top 100 prospect to get the pick. It's an effort to stop service time manipulation of top prospects.
    Not sure I agree with putting top 100 stip on that rule. Arbitrary lists are BS. Guys are either good or bad coming up and some guys fly through system faster than lists can be updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    No. He has to have a full season of sevice time. And if he's top 2 in the voting he automatically gets awarded a full season regardless of when he came up.
    New Prospect Promotion Incentive (PPI) draft selections will be made available to clubs that place top prospects on Opening Day rosters. If an eligible prospect is promoted to the major league roster, receives a full year of service time and receives “sufficient” awards consideration in any season before he qualifies for arbitration, the team will receive a PPI selection in one or both of the draft and the international draft, if implemented.

    Me: I think you might be right but I always see this rule mentioned in pairing with OD rosters, so I’m not entirely sure what the stipulations are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Not sure I agree with putting top 100 stip on that rule. Arbitrary lists are BS. Guys are either good or bad coming up and some guys fly through system faster than lists can be updated.
    Players thought this too but eventually gave in. You have to be top 100 on 2 of 3. mlb.com, espn's, or baseball america's top 100 list.

    And I agree with your point in general. But again, this whole point was to stop teams from manipulating the service time of top prospects. If a prospect pulls a Juan Soto and flies through the minors from A ball to the majors at 19 and gets called up in June or whenever is that really manipulating service time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    New Prospect Promotion Incentive (PPI) draft selections will be made available to clubs that place top prospects on Opening Day rosters. If an eligible prospect is promoted to the major league roster, receives a full year of service time and receives “sufficient” awards consideration in any season before he qualifies for arbitration, the team will receive a PPI selection in one or both of the draft and the international draft, if implemented.

    Me: I think you might be right but I always see this rule mentioned in pairing with OD rosters, so I’m not entirely sure what the stipulations are.
    I guess we will see how it shakes out. I assume being granted a full year of service time would make him eligible for the draft pick compensation but he may not be.

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