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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post

    Meanwhile odds are TLS at his worst is something like .280/.350/.410. Tommy is going to hit at the major league level, unless he somehow forgets his awesome discipline and plate recognition. His skill set will produce a lot of hits for this team and he'll get on base a lot as well.
    If that is accurate, then Uggla's leash should run out as soon as TLS is no longer eligible for Super Two status. If he did well, unload him for the highest offer. If he didn't, send him back to whatever gym he fluttered out of.

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    Four to six weeks - alternate with Pastornicky. Why can't the Braves send him to AAA if he doesn't hit well at the beginning of the season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck7580 View Post
    Four to six weeks - alternate with Pastornicky. Why can't the Braves send him to AAA if he doesn't hit well at the beginning of the season?
    When a player accrues 5 years of major league service, he can no longer be sent down to the minors without his permission, and any unused option years expire.

    Interestingly, if we optioned someone like Heyward, who has less than 5 years of service time, to the minors for a couple weeks, we could delay his free agency by a year.

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    I have a question on Uggla that has just come to mind that to be honest i just don't have the time to look up for myself. Dan Uggla isn't a type of player that I really like much in that he is only power. I prefer the high on obp type player myself. With that said, what type of player was around Dan when he was in FL? Most of the players we've put around him last year were not high obp players and he didn't hit. I wonder if he needs that kind of player around him to the pitches he needs to be able to hit. If that's the case we still don't have many of those so he still will not hit next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny View Post
    I have a question on Uggla that has just come to mind that to be honest i just don't have the time to look up for myself. Dan Uggla isn't a type of player that I really like much in that he is only power. I prefer the high on obp type player myself. With that said, what type of player was around Dan when he was in FL? Most of the players we've put around him last year were not high obp players and he didn't hit. I wonder if he needs that kind of player around him to the pitches he needs to be able to hit. If that's the case we still don't have many of those so he still will not hit next year.
    He tended not to hit for high average in FLA. Without searching, he was probably around .260 most of the time. As you noted, he was known for power: big numbers on HR's, doubles and drove in runs. The Braves actually fielded deeper lineups than what he was accustomed to with the Marlins. Except for Hanley Ramirez, there wasn't a lot of protection in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny View Post
    I have a question on Uggla that has just come to mind that to be honest i just don't have the time to look up for myself. Dan Uggla isn't a type of player that I really like much in that he is only power. I prefer the high on obp type player myself. With that said, what type of player was around Dan when he was in FL? Most of the players we've put around him last year were not high obp players and he didn't hit. I wonder if he needs that kind of player around him to the pitches he needs to be able to hit. If that's the case we still don't have many of those so he still will not hit next year.
    He hit around .260 in Florida and that's the biggest difference between his performance there and here has a lot to do with his average dropping.
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    My thing is, if he doesn't show anything in spring training, then I don't see any reason to start him. He needs to prove something after coming off that horrendous season, and if he doesn't come prepared to do that, then we have other options. We aren't going to run away with the division again this year, so every game counts, even in April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    My thing is, if he doesn't show anything in spring training, then I don't see any reason to start him. He needs to prove something after coming off that horrendous season, and if he doesn't come prepared to do that, then we have other options. We aren't going to run away with the division again this year, so every game counts, even in April.
    Usually I don't give much weight to spring training performances, but I'd give a significant amount of weight to a poor spring by Uggla. Pitchers are working on their stuff and not worrying much about throwing based upon a scouting report. So Uggla will not get as much of a diet of off-speed stuff away. He should have a decent spring.

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    I don't even know why we would try anymore with him. He has sucked for a long time now. Its time to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't even know why we would try anymore with him. He has sucked for a long time now. Its time to move on.
    Agreed, but we know they're going to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't even know why we would try anymore with him. He has sucked for a long time now. Its time to move on.
    Because we have him, might as well see if he fails or has something back.

    If he hits like he did in 2011 he's fine.
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    He won't hit like he did in 2011. He will hit like he did in 2013 and most of 2012. Absoltuely awful. Nobody it going to trade for Uggla. Even if he has a decent month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He won't hit like he did in 2011. He will hit like he did in 2013 and most of 2012. Absoltuely awful. Nobody it going to trade for Uggla. Even if he has a decent month.
    You know what often happens when you speak in absolutes about uncertainties right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    You know what often happens when you speak in absolutes about uncertainties right?
    Some people it makes sense to use it with. Uggla was as hopeless as I've ever seen a major league hitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Because we have him, might as well see if he fails or has something back.

    If he hits like he did in 2011 he's fine.
    If he hits like he did in the first half of 2013, I could live with that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Some people it makes sense to use it with. Uggla was as hopeless as I've ever seen a major league hitter.
    He put up a .739 OPS in the first half of 2013 (359 plate appearance). Not great. But not bad either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    He put up a .739 OPS in the first half of 2013 (359 plate appearance). Not great. But not bad either.
    A 739 OPS would be 28 points better than what 2B did in the NL so I Would definitely take it.

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    I just want to hear either Fredi or Wren say the phrase "battle for 2B".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    I just want to hear either Fredi or Wren say the phrase "battle for 2B".
    Without talking about their night together?

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    If Uggla hits .250, Greg Walker needs a huge raise
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