Official official offseason thread

[Hudson2]

I dont see AA paying what Turner wants but i'd be glad to be wrong.

I think AA wants to keep the team in tact as long as he can and Turner while costing more would do the same thing as keeping Swanson and that’s keeping the core together for a long time. It’ll be interesting to see what happens but I never would have guessed that we would be spending like we have been so nothing will surprise me. Besides having 1 of Arcia or Grissom being the starting SS come ST.

[Heyward]

I think AA wants to keep the team in tact as long as he can and Turner while costing more would do the same thing as keeping Swanson and that’s keeping the core together for a long time. It’ll be interesting to see what happens but I never would have guessed that we would be spending like we have been so nothing will surprise me. Besides having 1 of Arcia or Grissom being the starting SS come ST.

If we're rolling with Arcia or Grissom, AA better have something up his sleeve. Otherwise keeping Morton for 20M looks like a moronic decision.

[50PoundHead]

yeah, I just saw his savant page is pretty damn solid: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb

Went there as well and my impression was the same. Results not matching his stuff at this point, but he's an interesting guy if he doesn't walk the ballpark.

[NYCBrave]

Touki DFA'd by the Angels

[Hudson2]

If we're rolling with Arcia or Grissom, AA better have something up his sleeve. Otherwise keeping Morton for 20M looks like a moronic decision.

At that point there wouldn’t be anything he could put up his sleeve unless you’re talking about something short term like deGrom.

[The Chosen One]

I think AA wants to keep the team in tact as long as he can and Turner while costing more would do the same thing as keeping Swanson and that’s keeping the core together for a long time. It’ll be interesting to see what happens but I never would have guessed that we would be spending like we have been so nothing will surprise me. Besides having 1 of Arcia or Grissom being the starting SS come ST.

I mean, even without Swanson or Turner, we still have one of the best cores in baseball.

Are we gonna be a top 3 offense? Nah but maybe top 10 still.

[Southcack77]

It's conceivable that the FO didn't understand the implications on the cap number when they signed all those extensions. I would be very disappointed in AA for being so ignorant, but it wouldn't be a major shock.

It's also conceivable that the Braves are going to blow past the salary cap and it doesn't matter.

I truly wouldn't be shocked by anything anymore now that this team is generating so much revenue.

Why it would be conceivable they didn't understand the rules?

[Hudson2]

I mean, even without Swanson or Turner, we still have one of the best cores in baseball.

Are we gonna be a top 3 offense? Nah but maybe top 10 still.

Swanson was a big part of us winning the division this year. If we don’t bring him back or an equivalent then we are a lot worse off than last year. The Phillies will be better and the Mets will spend whatever it takes to get better.

[msstate7]

Why it would be conceivable they didn't understand the rules?

Yeah, I don't get that. AA somehow went from smart to a DA, I guess

[Carp]

It's conceivable that the FO didn't understand the implications on the cap number when they signed all those extensions. I would be very disappointed in AA for being so ignorant, but it wouldn't be a major shock.

It's also conceivable that the Braves are going to blow past the salary cap and it doesn't matter.

I truly wouldn't be shocked by anything anymore now that this team is generating so much revenue.

I think it's more likely that they tried to negotiate what they thought was a fair deal during the season, and when Swanson turned them down, they figured they wou seeld sure up the rotation with a familiar face.

[50PoundHead]

Didn't see this in the thread (doesn't mean it's not there).

Braves add RHP Darius Vines, RHP Roddery (not twin brother Rolddy) Munoz, and IF Braden Shewmake to the 40-man roster. DFAd RHP Bracho, RHP Woods, and Swordmaster Heredia.

[jpx7]

It's conceivable that the FO didn't understand the implications on the cap number when they signed all those extensions.

I don’t think that’s at all conceivable.

[Heyward]

Swanson was a big part of us winning the division this year. If we don’t bring him back or an equivalent then we are a lot worse off than last year. The Phillies will be better and the Mets will spend whatever it takes to get better.

We'd have a lineup of C- TDA/Bill, 1B- Olson, 2B- Ozzie, SS- Grissom/Arcia, 3B- Riley, LF- tbd, CF- Harris, RF- Acuna, DH- tbd. Questions around DH, LF, but if we let Swanson go, i would presume they'd use that money for DH/LF. But thats pending if they can dump Ozuna/Rosario/Pina to save some cash or not.

Thats still a pretty good lineup but do agree Philly/NYM will do what they can to get better. Philly seems likely to land one of the big 4 at shortstop. Mets still have questions mainly with their pitching but they'll spend under Cohen. If we dont land one of the top shortstops or at least improve the DH or LF situation, AA better have something up his sleeve.

[msstate7]

We'd have a lineup of C- TDA/Bill, 1B- Olson, 2B- Ozzie, SS- Grissom/Arcia, 3B- Riley, LF- tbd, CF- Harris, RF- Acuna, DH- tbd. Questions around DH, LF, but if we let Swanson go, i would presume they'd use that money for DH/LF. But thats pending if they can dump Ozuna/Rosario/Pina to save some cash or not.

Thats still a pretty good lineup but do agree Philly/NYM will do what they can to get better. Philly seems likely to land one of the big 4 at shortstop. Mets still have questions mainly with their pitching but they'll spend under Cohen. If we dont land one of the top shortstops or at least improve the DH or LF situation, AA better have something up his sleeve.

If dansby leaves, im more worried about defense than offense. Dansby was a huge asset to our pitching staff

[Hudson2]

We'd have a lineup of C- TDA/Bill, 1B- Olson, 2B- Ozzie, SS- Grissom/Arcia, 3B- Riley, LF- tbd, CF- Harris, RF- Acuna, DH- tbd. Questions around DH, LF, but if we let Swanson go, i would presume they'd use that money for DH/LF. But thats pending if they can dump Ozuna/Rosario/Pina to save some cash or not.

Thats still a pretty good lineup but do agree Philly/NYM will do what they can to get better. Philly seems likely to land one of the big 4 at shortstop. Mets still have questions mainly with their pitching but they'll spend under Cohen. If we dont land one of the top shortstops or at least improve the DH or LF situation, AA better have something up his sleeve.

If all of that happens I don’t know what he could have up his sleeve.

[Heyward]

If all of that happens I don’t know what he could have up his sleeve.

Yeah we arent in on Judge or DeGrom/Rodon most likely. So would have to work the trade market and our best package is probably something like Anderson, Malloy, Grissom, Muller, etc. Not terrible but not sure what thats getting us.

[Heyward]

If dansby leaves, im more worried about defense than offense. Dansby was a huge asset to our pitching staff

Yep, he can pick it at shortstop. I'm not against him leaving if the money/years got out of control but i'd take him back all things considered. We already have a lot invested into this core so why not one more deal lol.

[Tapate50]

There is almost zero doubt that the last years of a Dansby FA deal is going to be an albatross. The bat is going to fade and I think fade hard.

If we wants a 3 year deal, sure. I'm not going 6 for Dansby.

[Heyward]

There is almost zero doubt that the last years of a Dansby FA deal is going to be an albatross. The bat is going to fade and I think fade hard.

If we wants a 3 year deal, sure. I'm not going 6 for Dansby.

He'd be going into his age 29 season of year 1 of the deal. It's not like he's 33 right now. The contract would be his age 29 to 34 age seasons if it's 6 years. His defense would probably start to slip some, but would depend if this year and last year are a trend or not. The last year or 2 might be bad, but all free agent deals that long have risks of guys entering their 30's.

I dont think 6 for Dansby would be as bad as everyone thinks.

[Russ2dollas]

If dansby leaves, im more worried about defense than offense. Dansby was a huge asset to our pitching staff

agree. Especially next to Riley and his lack of range.

I could understand a Grissom at SS if you think he's a future plus bat and can handle the position. It seems like the consensus scouting is that he can't handle the position.

That said, I only understand Grissom at SS if you are putting an impact bat in LF. Not sure who that is other than Judge. Maybe they can figure out a Conforto deal and maybe Conforto is that person. But I think this team needs to win and improve and they need that impact bat.

If they are not going to add an impact bat at SS or LF then the Morton extension was a disaster. B/c I think we have internal options for a mid rotation starter. I know some people are very high on the Henry-Malloy guy in AAA as a LF, but I'm not. Seems like he could be a solid starter, he's not an impact bat. And we need an impact bat now.