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[Tapate50]

We trying super hard to stay under the LT?

[Carp]

How much is a extension for Juan Soto any idea?

Well he's already turned down extensions of 13/350 and 15/440 from that Nationals. So that should give you some idea.

[cajunrevenge]

We trying super hard to stay under the LT?

There's a question I never expected to see

[cajunrevenge]

Well he's already turned down extensions of 13/350 and 15/440 from that Nationals. So that should give you some idea.

I believe his agent is Scott Borass so 10 years 500 million with an opt out after 5 or 6 years.

[Tapate50]

I’m not sure his recent years have deserved those numbers. I haven’t liked though.

His defense won’t get better

[cajunrevenge]

His agent isnt really known for living in reality.

[Enscheff]

I have to imagine the Ohtani deal is going to include early opt outs and maybe a provision that limits risk if he never pitches again. This is a contract I would want no part of. A $500M guy who turns into a DH would be a franchise crippling disaster. No thanks.

Yama is going to require something like $200M plus around 17% to the posting team. The silver lining is that posting fee doesn’t count towards the cap, so it’s quite literally “just” money and a one time spend. The Braves seems well positioned for such a spend right now.

AA doesn’t spend big on FA pitchers, but I think it’s more about the age of typical FA pitchers. A FA who is 25 is a different story than a guy who is 30, and maybe AA is willing to give 7 years to someone that young.

[CrimsonCowboy]

The thing with Ohtani is his appeal came with him being a two way player. Not only a great power hitter, but a top of the rotation starter. He’s now had a second elbow injury and won’t pitch in the coming season. And with now two elbow surgeries, how is he going to be as a pitcher? So basically now, he’s a glorified designated hitter. I’m sure that a direction the Braves need to go. In fact, I would go another direction.

[Hudson2]

Yeah some dumb team is gonna pay Ohtani for being a 2 way player and it’s gonna bite em bc he may never pitch again. Luckily for us AA is smarter than that.

[bravesfanforlife88]

As cheff mentioned, this contract is going to be incredibly complicated IMO.

I'm sure there will be an opt out after 2 years once he can pitch again. Possibly multiple opt outs. And there may be language about if he pitches or not.....there would be a lot of uncertainty in that deal that would make it difficult to budget future payrolls...again, not an AA type move.

[Enscheff]

Updated after the Lopez signing.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

As cheff mentioned, this contract is going to be incredibly complicated IMO.

I'm sure there will be an opt out after 2 years once he can pitch again. Possibly multiple opt outs. And there may be language about if he pitches or not.....there would be a lot of uncertainty in that deal that would make it difficult to budget future payrolls...again, not an AA type move.

I think AA need to be smart and if he can take 2-3 years of him and then he want more money is not a crazy idea to let him walk. In about 3-4 years our window is going to start closing.

[chop2chip]

Updated after the Lopez signing.

Thanks for doing the Lord’s work Ensheff!

Question: MLBTR has the Braves luxury tag number at $241m, ~$35m higher than yours. Any explanation for what’s driving the gap?

[Russ2dollas]

I have to imagine the Ohtani deal is going to include early opt outs and maybe a provision that limits risk if he never pitches again. This is a contract I would want no part of. A $500M guy who turns into a DH would be a franchise crippling disaster. No thanks.

Yama is going to require something like $200M plus around 17% to the posting team. The silver lining is that posting fee doesn’t count towards the cap, so it’s quite literally “just” money and a one time spend. The Braves seems well positioned for such a spend right now.

AA doesn’t spend big on FA pitchers, but I think it’s more about the age of typical FA pitchers. A FA who is 25 is a different story than a guy who is 30, and maybe AA is willing to give 7 years to someone that young.

I'd love the Yama move b/c of the tax issues and the lack of draft pick losses. I just don't see a Japanese pitcher coming to ATL. I hope he's all about winning and wants to come to us.

[Carp]

Thanks for doing the Lord’s work Ensheff!

Question: MLBTR has the Braves luxury tag number at $241m, ~$35m higher than yours. Any explanation for what’s driving the gap?

I can't imagine the MLBTR figure is correct unless there is something I am missing. Enscheff's figures are not quite correct either as Fried will undoubtedly make more than 14.5 million. But Scheff should be way closer than MLBTR. I think we should be around 210-212 million on the luxury tax right now.

Edit: looking over the numbers, I think a big trade is definitely brewing. Trading Fried would remove close to 20 million off the luxury tax. Trading Iglesias (assuming we can find a suitor) would remove a good bit too. Maybe trade Fried and Iglesias together for a better package. Would likely need to be a team with deep pockets though. Texas seems like a natural fit. So does Boston and NYY, but I don't like their farms nearly as much.

[Enscheff]

Thanks for doing the Lord’s work Ensheff!

Question: MLBTR has the Braves luxury tag number at $241m, ~$35m higher than yours. Any explanation for what’s driving the gap?

A lot of additional costs go towards the luxury number that I didn’t realize, like $12M of “other player benefits”. That’s why I changed the other column to AAV rather than Luxury.

The values on FG’s roster resource page appear to be completely correct except they count both this and next years’ buyouts towards this year’s payroll, which seems like they are double counting those values for any given current season.

[cajunrevenge]

I can't imagine the MLBTR figure is correct unless there is something I am missing. Enscheff's figures are not quite correct either as Fried will undoubtedly make more than 14.5 million. But Scheff should be way closer than MLBTR. I think we should be around 210-212 million on the luxury tax right now.

Edit: looking over the numbers, I think a big trade is definitely brewing. Trading Fried would remove close to 20 million off the luxury tax. Trading Iglesias (assuming we can find a suitor) would remove a good bit too. Maybe trade Fried and Iglesias together for a better package. Would likely need to be a team with deep pockets though. Texas seems like a natural fit. So does Boston and NYY, but I don't like their farms nearly as much.

I seriously doubt Fried will be traded. And his projected salary is based off the formula for arbitration that's been reversed engineered. It's right or very close to right unless the Braves agree to a deal for more

[Carp]

I seriously doubt Fried will be traded. And his projected salary is based off the formula for arbitration that's been reversed engineered. It's right or very close to right unless the Braves agree to a deal for more

He got 13.5 last year. It's seems very unlikely he'll get barely a 1 million dollar pay raise. Spotrac has him at 21 million for what it's worth.

[Enscheff]

It also seems unlikely he gets a 50% bump based off 77 total innings pitched in 2023. The guy from FG does a pretty spot on job projecting arb salaries.

[Enscheff]

Updated after the Kelenic trade. I have Gonzales in the rotation and White on the bench more as a way to include their salary than a prediction of them being in those roles.

Needless to say, Lopez and Gonzales is not how I envisioned AA "fixing" the rotation. Hopefully something else is in the works.