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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Yep he's going nowhere, it's amazing people think otherwise. This organization strives on stability, they don't fire managers for postseason failures. Only way he gets fired is if they collapse in the regular season and that won't be happening.
    You mean I have to wait for another heart breaking collapse before we might fire our terrible manager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    And everyone wanted him out after then and he likely retired because of the pressure put on him at the end of 09. Also in 07 we weren't that good. We didn't collapse, we just were lucky the Phillies and Mets were so bad.
    That was the year the Phillies won like 11 out of 12 to win the division from NY and NY dropped 7 games in 12 days.

    We choked the Wild Card I think. We were in it the last week then had a losing streak.
    Forever Fredi


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Yep he's going nowhere, it's amazing people think otherwise. This organization strives on stability, they don't fire managers for postseason failures. Only way he gets fired is if they collapse in the regular season and that won't be happening.
    Did we not have an epic, monumental regular season collapse just two years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Did we not have an epic, monumental regular season collapse just two years ago?
    First year on the job with us. He was hired because Florida was actually decent under him.
    Forever Fredi


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    And to think what would have been had Hanley not drop kicked that baseball into left field and Freddi yanked him.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithLockhart View Post
    First year on the job with us. He was hired because Florida was actually decent under him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    If we win the division he will get a pass. I agree that too long is risky since we have a 2 year window for our best shot. But that's how the Braves operate.
    Nats have a 2-year window too.

    Up to the players to execute, thats not on Fredi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Did we not have an epic, monumental regular season collapse just two years ago?
    Werent we ravaged by injuries that year?

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    Braves extend Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez. WOOOOOOO!!!

    I find it very hard to believe the negative feelings about Gonzalez. His record as our manager these last three years is 279-207, a .574 winning percentage, which equates to an average record of 93-69 per season. Those are very good results. He has finished 4th and 3rd in manager of the year voting the last two years. And it is really easy after the fact to second guess the decision not to bring Craig in with one out in the 8th inning of that playoff game. Do you realize that Fredi never brought Craig in to get the last 5 outs of any game in the three years he has been manager or Craig's been our closer. Not once. Not to mention Carpenter had been excellent in that role all year. It has been a strategy that has been extremely successful the whole time he's been here. It just so happens that one time it didn't work out but it doesn't make it all of a sudden a bad strategy because one time out of hundreds it doesn't work.
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    Managers of playoff teams get the boot on occasion. See Baker, Dusty for a recent example.

    I do think the expectations for this team are a bit higher than just making the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Managers of playoff teams get the boot on occasion. See Baker, Dusty for a recent example.

    I do think the expectations for this team are a bit higher than just making the playoffs.
    Was Fredi responsible for our entire pitching staff, that had the best ERA (3.18) in all of baseball the entire year, fall completely on their collective faces in the playoffs (5.82)? Was he responsible for Jason Heyward, Justin Upton and Brian McCann hitting a pathetic 5 for 41, a .122 batting average in the playoffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    Was Fredi responsible for our entire pitching staff, that had the best ERA in all of baseball the entire year, fall completely on their collective faces in the playoffs?
    Who said he was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithLockhart View Post
    First year on the job with us. He was hired because Florida was actually decent under him.
    And that's not even what I'm referring too, that team still had a good season. The collapse was bad but nothing to get fired over. People can think he's a terrible manager if they want but obviously the Braves don't feel that way, neither do a lot of people in the game of baseball. He's well respected and his teams win a lot of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    I find it very hard to believe the negative feelings about Gonzalez. His record as our manager these last three years is 279-207, a .574 winning percentage, which equates to an average record of 93-69 per season. Those are very good results. He has finished 4th and 3rd in manager of the year voting the last two years. And it is really easy after the fact to second guess the decision not to bring Craig in with one out in the 8th inning of that playoff game. Do you realize that Fredi never brought Craig in to get the last 5 outs of any game in the three years he has been manager or Craig's been our closer. Not once. Not to mention Carpenter had been excellent in that role all year. It has been a strategy that has been extremely successful the whole time he's been here. It just so happens that one time it didn't work out but it doesn't make it all of a sudden a bad strategy because one time out of hundreds it doesn't work.
    Completely agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    I find it very hard to believe the negative feelings about Gonzalez.
    It's the little things—in life, and in having negative feelings about Gonzalez.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    And it is really easy after the fact to second guess the decision not to bring Craig in with one out in the 8th inning of that playoff game.
    A lot of us first-guessed it, so I don't really think this logic applies.

    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    Do you realize that Fredi never brought Craig in to get the last 5 outs of any game in the three years he has been manager or Craig's been our closer.
    Do you realize that some regard that to be a flaw in his strategic abilities, and don't think season's precedent should guide decisions in every emergent, do-or-die case?
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Who said he was?
    The way some people talk about Fredi, you'd think that it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    I find it very hard to believe the negative feelings about Gonzalez. His record as our manager these last three years is 279-207, a .574 winning percentage, which equates to an average record of 93-69 per season. Those are very good results. He has finished 4th and 3rd in manager of the year voting the last two years. And it is really easy after the fact to second guess the decision not to bring Craig in with one out in the 8th inning of that playoff game. Do you realize that Fredi never brought Craig in to get the last 5 outs of any game in the three years he has been manager or Craig's been our closer. Not once. Not to mention Carpenter had been excellent in that role all year. It has been a strategy that has been extremely successful the whole time he's been here. It just so happens that one time it didn't work out but it doesn't make it all of a sudden a bad strategy because one time out of hundreds it doesn't work.
    With the talent on this team, anyone should be able to win 90-95 wins without lifting a finger. Seriously, the team is loaded. Him winning games just by filling out the lineup card is not indicative of his abilities as a tactician during games.

    He finished 4th and 3rd in manager of the year because of our record, not because of over achievement.

    He never used Craig in a 5 out save before? So? Was the win-or-go-home game we played in April?

    Lastly, I'd say 75% of this board was screaming for Kimbrel. And even if he was unable to pitch two innings, we wanted him pitching the 8th to get the heart of the order out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Managers of playoff teams get the boot on occasion. See Baker, Dusty for a recent example.

    I do think the expectations for this team are a bit higher than just making the playoffs.
    When is the last time the Braves did something like that? We aren't like everyone else. Also just because someone else does it that doesn't mean it was the right decision. What you do over the long haul should count for more than what you do in a short series. Expectations are high but I guarantee you this team won't even be picked to win the division, Washington will be by most people. Also expectations are also high for St. Louis and LA. So it's not like we don't have competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    With the talent on this team, anyone should be able to win 90-95 wins without lifting a finger. Seriously, the team is loaded. Him winning games just by filling out the lineup card is not indicative of his abilities as a tactician during games.
    Weren't the Angels loaded as well? Why didn't they win 95 games if talent is all it takes? Why is Bobby so highly revered if division titles aren't anything to write home about? Afterall anyone can do it, right?

    Also your post is inaccurate, he did more than fill out a lineup card. With the injuries we had and under performances we had from two key players he had to find a way to get production from others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skillet View Post
    Was Fredi responsible for our entire pitching staff, that had the best ERA (3.18) in all of baseball the entire year, fall completely on their collective faces in the playoffs (5.82)? Was he responsible for Jason Heyward, Justin Upton and Brian McCann hitting a pathetic 5 for 41, a .122 batting average in the playoffs?
    I still can't believe JUp didn't show up for the NLDS. I truly thought he was going to go into beast mode like he did when he had extra motivation during the regular season a few times and carry the team.

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