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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    As long as he can point to Kimbrel then he just might be.
    That guy would be afraid of Kimbrel's heat but still better than Fredi.
    All you need is Hart and Cox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Dude, you are the worst fan. "When they lose again." For real? Kick rocks.
    Okay. Have a good day. I won't stoop to your level anymore though.

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    fredi is an awful manager on the field.

    he may not be awful in the clubhouse however. i'm just not sure how smart the guy is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipchildress View Post
    fredi is an awful manager on the field.

    he may not be awful in the clubhouse however. i'm just not sure how smart the guy is.
    There are plenty worse managers than Fredi Gonzalez. If you don't know that then you don't pay attention. If you don't see the improvement Fredi has made from 2011 until now then you haven't been paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
    There are plenty worse managers than Fredi Gonzalez. If you don't know that then you don't pay attention. If you don't see the improvement Fredi has made from 2011 until now then you haven't been paying attention.
    Even with the "improvements" he is a poor in-game manager. And his improvements are often more along the lines of, "That didn't work. I'll do the exact opposite."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Even with the "improvements" he is a poor in-game manager. And his improvements are often more along the lines of, "That didn't work. I'll do the exact opposite."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinersSBChamps View Post
    Okay. Have a good day. I won't stoop to your level anymore though.
    My level, says the one who was SUSPENDED FROM THIS BOARD for childish, racist remarks.
    You're right, you're not at my level, and never will be. I'm intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Even with the "improvements" he is a poor in-game manager. And his improvements are often more along the lines of, "That didn't work. I'll do the exact opposite."
    The Braves have had a poor in game manager for 25 years now. So it's not like this is anything knew. Bobby was horrible at it too. But like Bobby I think Freddi's biggest positive is handling the clubhouse which over a full season is more important. Yes poor in game managers can screw you in the playoffs as we saw last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    My level, says the one who was SUSPENDED FROM THIS BOARD for childish, racist remarks.
    You're right, you're not at my level, and never will be. I'm intelligent.
    Okay great. Ttyl braj.

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    The fact that the majority of this board is well ahead of Fredi's correct decisions is pretty damning. The three that stick out the most to me are:

    1. Starting Constanza over Heyward bc he was hitting well for a few games in a row - while the rest of the board was begging to play the much better Heyward… I believe we collapsed our for-sure playoff appearance that year

    2. Batting Simmons and BJ Upton leadoff the whole year when the board was begging for Jason Heyward about 2 months prior to the switch

    3. Kimbrel. Nuff said

    I can think of several other examples. But the guy just comes across as totally clueless. And I don't think he handles the media very well at all (he seems to call out players from time-to-time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    The Braves have had a poor in game manager for 25 years now. So it's not like this is anything knew. Bobby was horrible at it too. But like Bobby I think Freddi's biggest positive is handling the clubhouse which over a full season is more important. Yes poor in game managers can screw you in the playoffs as we saw last year.
    Yep. Pretty much what I was going to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    The Braves have had a poor in game manager for 25 years now. So it's not like this is anything knew. Bobby was horrible at it too. But like Bobby I think Freddi's biggest positive is handling the clubhouse which over a full season is more important. Yes poor in game managers can screw you in the playoffs as we saw last year.
    How many great in game managers are there? I'd be interested in seeing the list. It seems like every baseball game I watch a manager makes a move you can 2nd guess. Which leads me to believe managing is a lot harder than people think. I'd much rather have a guy that can run a good clean clubhouse than one who is a strategic genius. Managing 25 egos over the course of 162 games can't be easy.

    I just can't justify being overly critical of someone that wins as much as Fredi does. It's disappointing that we continue to come up short in October but that's been a part of our history ever since I started watching Braves baseball so we should be used to it by now. Fredi is doing nothing differently than what we've seen since the run started in 1991.

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    Not a Freddie guy. But the players seem to like him. I think with the marathon of a season having a great clubhouse manager is the most important thing. He seems willing to think about other ways of approaching the game. If we were going to get a Saber GM, then I'd want a new manager. But with Wrenn, Freddie is a fine pair.

    Wrenn...I hope this offseason is the new Wrenn. Concentrate on signing guys you know and stay out of the FA market. Grow and sign our own guys and supplement our line up with SHORT term contracts from other teams. Keep the bullpen cheap but a priority. Basically I love Wrenn if he just stays out of the 10+ million/yr and more than 2 year FA signings.

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