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    Braves extend Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez. WOOOOOOO!!!

    According to DOB, Fredi and Wren both got contract extensions. Might justify a separate thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    According to DOB, Fredi and Wren both got contract extensions. Might justify a separate thread.
    But I thought Fredi was going to get fired after this year? Afterall he's done a horrible job, right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    According to DOB, Fredi and Wren both got contract extensions. Might justify a separate thread.
    Fredi has done an amazing job this offseason.
    thank you weso1!

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    If any of you are having problems posting a new thread, VBulletin is having issues right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    According to DOB, Fredi and Wren both got contract extensions. Might justify a separate thread.
    I really hope you're joking about Fred

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    Not sure how Fredi can get an extension after that showing in the playoffs last year. I'm willing to see if he grows as a manager but this is now a win-now team. Can't have a manager making insane decisions that potentially costs us playoff games (KIMBREL!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    According to DOB, Fredi and Wren both got contract extensions. Might justify a separate thread.
    Been attempting to post a new thread and it just locks up.

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    Braves extend Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez. WOOOOOOO!!!

    Fredi extension is strictly symbolic. Coaches aren't like players, they get paid well, but firing them isn't the same as cutting a player. Fredi benig under contract means nothing. That said, this organization is about stability, and I don't think they can Fredi unless he epically collapses again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Fredi extension is strictly symbolic. Coaches aren't like players, they get paid well, but firing them isn't the same as cutting a player. Fredi benig under contract means nothing. That said, this organization is about stability, and I don't think they can Fredi unless he epically collapses again.
    If we don't win a round this year I don't see how he is back unless the team was ravaged by injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    If we don't win a round this year I don't see how he is back unless the team was ravaged by injuries.
    I really don't think that's fair. When was the last time the Braves won a round? Cox wasn't exactly winning in the playoffs every year either.

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    and just like that, the braves made their worst choice of the offseason

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    Fred is cox-lite. He'll be here until Wren retires like JS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    I really don't think that's fair. When was the last time the Braves won a round? Cox wasn't exactly winning in the playoffs every year either.
    Baseball is certainly all about the players. I won't deny that. But when your resume consists of leaving the best closer in baseball on the bench in a playoff game that could have resulted in a game 5 in your homebuilding then you deserve a lot of criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    I really don't think that's fair. When was the last time the Braves won a round? Cox wasn't exactly winning in the playoffs every year either.
    Should have fired him too I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithLockhart View Post
    Fred is cox-lite. He'll be here until Wren retires like JS.
    Yep he's going nowhere, it's amazing people think otherwise. This organization strives on stability, they don't fire managers for postseason failures. Only way he gets fired is if they collapse in the regular season and that won't be happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    If we don't win a round this year I don't see how he is back unless the team was ravaged by injuries.
    If we win the division he will get a pass. I agree that too long is risky since we have a 2 year window for our best shot. But that's how the Braves operate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Yep he's going nowhere, it's amazing people think otherwise. This organization strives on stability, they don't fire managers for postseason failures. Only way he gets fired is if they collapse in the regular season and that won't be happening.
    Didn't Bobby have a few collapses there in 2007 and 2009 I wanna say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithLockhart View Post
    Didn't Bobby have a few collapses there in 2007 and 2009 I wanna say?
    And everyone wanted him out after then and he likely retired because of the pressure put on him at the end of 09. Also in 07 we weren't that good. We didn't collapse, we just were lucky the Phillies and Mets were so bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Baseball is certainly all about the players. I won't deny that. But when your resume consists of leaving the best closer in baseball on the bench in a playoff game that could have resulted in a game 5 in your homebuilding then you deserve a lot of criticism.
    Although people have reason to be upset about that, I can think of a lot of reasons we lost that series.

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    That's the thing with Fredi in that series. Managers, to me, generally have limited impact on games. Sure, they makes moves, but it's still largely your star players that are going to carry you. However, I feel Fredi had a major impact on the outcome of that series. It wasn't all his fault, and I think our offense is the primary reason we lost. But, Fredi had a bigger impact than I would have liked, and that impact was negative.

    I doubt he gets fired, because we will have a good season and this team has a lot of upside. I don't think he will always make decisions that directly cost us games like in Game 4. The opportunity isn't always there.

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