Simmons signed to 7 year extension

**Hudson2** · 02-20-2014, 04:04 PM

I know

Originally Posted by jpx7

Cool story, bro.

**Braves1976** · 02-20-2014, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

I don't agree this is the best signing though, the best one was Kimbrel. None of the players we've signed to extensions are as dominant as he is. He's the best player at his position, can't say the same for others.

Simmons is as great as you'll see on defense at short and his offense is likely to improve. He is the best player defensively in the game IMO. He was a huge reason we won the NL East last season. He saves a ton of runs and that makes a lot bigger impact than your comments indicate. Simmons also makes it possible to win (on a regular basis) with poor defenders to his left and his right (Uggla and CJ).

**Hudson2** · 02-20-2014, 04:05 PM

I'm sure he is smartass

Originally Posted by Heyward

I'm sure he's dissapointed you think that about him.

**thewupk** · 02-20-2014, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Braves1976

Simmons is as great as you'll see on defense at short and his offense is likely to improve. He is the best player defensively in the game IMO. He was a huge reason we won the NL East last season. He saves a ton of runs and that makes a lot bigger impact than your comments indicate. Simmons also makes it possible to win (on a regular basis) with poor defenders to his left and his right (Uggla and CJ).

Simmons was actually 3rd in fWAR among SS i 2013 at 4.7. Ian Desmond was at 5 and Tulowitski at 5.6. It's not hard to see Simmons' low BABIP correcting itself and have a WRC+ of 115 in 2014. That combined with his defense would likely produce a 6 WAR season which could very well be the best among SS.

**DaneHill** · 02-20-2014, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by weso1

And actually my opinion on the Kimbrel signing has changed. My biggest complaint was that I didn't think it was smart for a mid market team to sign any closer to an expensive long term deal, but now I'm not sure if we are even going to be a mid market team. Seems like something is going on with this new stadium. Is it possible the fact that the Braves will be moving out of Atlanta mean that the TV deal becomes void? Something to question at least.

Now that is an interesting question....

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by weso1

And actually my opinion on the Kimbrel signing has changed. My biggest complaint was that I didn't think it was smart for a mid market team to sign any closer to an expensive long term deal, but now I'm not sure if we are even going to be a mid market team. Seems like something is going on with this new stadium. Is it possible the fact that the Braves will be moving out of Atlanta mean that the TV deal becomes void? Something to question at least.

The only thing with Kimbrel was because i thought he wouldnt sign that cheap.

Payroll IS moving up, maybe not to LA/NYY/Phi level but around the 115-120 level, i think, maybe more, who knows.

But yes, lot of people said this couldnt happen without the new stadium given our TV deal blows.

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson2

I'm sure he is smartass

Dont judge him because he turned down one extension.

I hope like everyone else he signs with the Braves longterm but you dont know what kind of deal he wants or was first offered.

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 04:34 PM

Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Frank Wren is happy w/locking up the young core, but "wouldn't characterize that we're done. I'd characterize that its a work in progress"

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 04:35 PM

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 05:30 PM

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves 21m
Mostly likely next one, IMO. RT: @ajcbraves i think the last one will be Minor. And you?

Hmm.

**Hawk** · 02-20-2014, 05:32 PM

Damn, we have a lot to look forward to.

**clvclv** · 02-20-2014, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by thethe

C: Bench
1B: Hernandez
2B: Robbie Alomar/ Joe Morgan
SS: Simmons
3B: Robinson (maybe machado one day)
LF: Shoeless Joe/Rickey Henderson
RF: Clemente
CF: Druw

Who are the question marks?

Personally would say Alomar and Shoeless Joe, but can see the argument for the other two.

**AUTiger7222** · 02-20-2014, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by thethe

C: Bench
1B: Hernandez
2B: ??
SS: Simmons
3B: Robinson (maybe machado one day)
LF: ?
RF: Clemente
CF: Druw

Who are the question marks?

Someone mentioned Bonds and he was good in his younger days but he didn't have much of a throwing arm. Hard to think and consider great defensive left-fielders. You would probably have to go back decades to find the best one ever, maybe Ted Williams? Or did he play RF?

At 2nd base I'd probably go with Ryne Sandberg.

**zitothebrave** · 02-20-2014, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by thewupk

Simmons was actually 3rd in fWAR among SS i 2013 at 4.7. Ian Desmond was at 5 and Tulowitski at 5.6. It's not hard to see Simmons' low BABIP correcting itself and have a WRC+ of 115 in 2014. That combined with his defense would likely produce a 6 WAR season which could very well be the best among SS.

I think you're way over optimistic on that correction. Are you accounting for his massive IFFB?

**thewupk** · 02-20-2014, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by AUTiger7222

Someone mentioned Bonds and he was good in his younger days but he didn't have much of a throwing arm. Hard to think and consider great defensive left-fielders. You would probably have to go back decades to find the best one ever, maybe Ted Williams? Or did he play RF?

At 2nd base I'd probably go with Ryne Sandberg.

He played left and was um, not very good, to put it nicely. Yeah Bonds' didn't have much of an arm at all but he was fast and made accurate reads. Positioned himself really well too. He had the ability to play center in his younger days and likely would of stayed there if he had a stronger or the Pirates hadn't acquired Van Slyke in 87.

**Nerfherders** · 02-20-2014, 06:10 PM

The problem with LF is that if you have any ability to play the outfield you're not playing LF. If you want an all-time defensive OF you're going to put 3 CF's in there.

**thewupk** · 02-20-2014, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by zitothebrave

I think you're way over optimistic on that correction. Are you accounting for his massive IFFB?

I think that's something to come down actually as he matures as a hitter. Even if he doesn't it's not impossible for him to have a 300is BABIP as he showed briefly in 2012.

**Dalyn** · 02-20-2014, 06:14 PM

Cobb County, Kimbrel, Simmons, Wren, Freeman, Heyward, Teheran, ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., Fredi

That's how I would rank the recent deals.

**thewupk** · 02-20-2014, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Nerfherders

The problem with LF is that if you have any ability to play the outfield you're not playing LF. If you want an all-time defensive OF you're going to put 3 CF's in there.

That's not accurate at all. If you have the ability to cover a ton of ground but have a weak throwing arm you will get a lot of time in left. Especially if there is another outfielder who can cover ground but a better arm to stick in center. See Brett Gardner and Carl Crawford.

**Heyward** · 02-20-2014, 06:20 PM

FWIW, Simmons was the best SS in baseball according to WAR last year.

I think it was 6.2 or 6.4

Hanley was 2nd, Tulo was 3rd.

This was on MLBN today.

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