Simmons signed to 7 year extension

[Knucksie]

Most of the people unabashedly high on LaStella will reluctantly admit to never having seen him play, which is a thought worth pondering.

It's that, plus the overreaction to the Uggla situation. Hence, La Stella's potential upside gets exaggerated as the new savior.

[Dalyn]

That would be great for a 2B. Now if he can get that I would be ecstatic.

NOW we would all be ecstatic. Uggla beat those numbers his first two years and ended up getting cut from the playoffs.

[KB21]

ZiPS has Uggla projected at 1.4 WAR and BJ Upton projected at 2.1 WAR for 2014.

Knowing what we got last year from them, would you take that this year? Obviously, it doesn't match their contract status, but they won't be a negative impact. I think they have BJ projected to have 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases.

[Hawk]

@JonHeymanCBS: asked ozzie smith the 3 greatest SS he's seen. he mentioned omar vizquel, elvis andrus & andrelton simmons. @MLBNetwork
[ http://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/stat...27669479202816 ]

High praise.

[thethe]

ZiPS has Uggla projected at 1.4 WAR and BJ Upton projected at 2.1 WAR for 2014.

Knowing what we got last year from them, would you take that this year? Obviously, it doesn't match their contract status, but they won't be a negative impact. I think they have BJ projected to have 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases.

I think Uggla is an absolute lost cause but I do believe BJ will have a solid unspectacular year. Braves just need to move on from Uggla.

[KB21]

@JonHeymanCBS: asked ozzie smith the 3 greatest SS he's seen. he mentioned omar vizquel, elvis andrus & andrelton simmons. @MLBNetwork
[ http://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/stat...27669479202816 ]

High praise.

That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.

[MadduxFanII]

ZiPS has Uggla projected at 1.4 WAR and BJ Upton projected at 2.1 WAR for 2014.

Knowing what we got last year from them, would you take that this year? Obviously, it doesn't match their contract status, but they won't be a negative impact. I think they have BJ projected to have 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases.

I would slaughter a cow and offer its innards to whatever dark god watched over baseball if it meant getting 2.1 WAR, 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases out of BJ Upton.

[thewupk]

That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.

It's done and over with. There is little chance the team would have kept Andrus long term with Simmons right behind him.

[benchguy]

Get a life that was a while back, the future is now..

That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.

[nsacpi]

ZiPS has Uggla projected at 1.4 WAR and BJ Upton projected at 2.1 WAR for 2014.

I would settle for one of them being half-way productive. We survived having two black holes in the lineup last year. Don't want to test the team's ability to do that again.

[Heyward]

That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.

How?

Outside of Andrus, who on there did we really lose that hurts, though an Andrus/Simmons combo up the middle would be insane defensively.

Feliz is a RP.

Thats about it.

Not even sure we'd have Simmons if Andrus stayed.

The Wainwright trade hurts more than Tex, tbh.

[JCarbo76]

How?

Outside of Andrus, who on there did we really lose that hurts, though an Andrus/Simmons combo up the middle would be insane defensively.

Feliz is a RP.

Thats about it.

Not even sure we'd have Simmons if Andrus stayed.

The Wainwright trade hurts more than Tex, tbh.

Yeah for all the moaning about the Teixeira trade, someone once did a post-Tex trade WAR analysis comparing the players we lost to the players we had instead. Interestingly, the guys we had in place here had a higher cumulative WAR than the guys we traded.

[AUTiger7222]

Yeah for all the moaning about the Teixeira trade, someone once did a post-Tex trade WAR analysis comparing the players we lost to the players we had instead. Interestingly, the guys we had in place here had a higher cumulative WAR than the guys we traded.

It sure would have been nice to have Matt Harrison in the rotation over Jo-Jo Reyes who was the Rangers first choice there.

[Heyward]

It sure would have been nice to have Matt Harrison in the rotation over Jo-Jo Reyes who was the Rangers first choice there.

He has back problems right now, he's good,yes, but nothing more than a #2-3 type starter which we produce many of.

The Tex trade is hardly one of the worst trades in all of sports the way some make it seem.

[AUTiger7222]

He has back problems right now, he's good,yes, but nothing more than a #2-3 type starter which we produce many of.

The Tex trade is hardly one of the worst trades in all of sports the way some make it seem.

Agreed.

[GovClintonTyree]

I've seen him play. More than once as well.

The thing with Tommy is that he's not gonna blow anyone away with any particular skillset. I think Chris Johnson is similar, except TLS has a way better eye which is why he walks more and Ks less.

Because he doesn't have anything that pops, like power, speed or glove, the Braves are content to see if they have anything with Uggla. Uggla has insane power if he starts hitting again the Braves have a great 2B. They're gonna rule that out before bringing up TLS. TLS has no rush to get to the majors in all honesty.

I'm not a stathead, but I think his BB/K and OBP pop.

On a team that has plenty of power, I'd like to see if his skillset complements the rest of the roster like I think it would. Then we wouldn't have to lead off a 6'6", 245 lb run producer.

[GovClintonTyree]

He has back problems right now, he's good,yes, but nothing more than a #2-3 type starter which we produce many of.

The Tex trade is hardly one of the worst trades in all of sports the way some make it seem.

I've long moved on, but yeah, kind of it was.

[zitothebrave]

He has back problems right now, he's good,yes, but nothing more than a #2-3 type starter which we produce many of.

The Tex trade is hardly one of the worst trades in all of sports the way some make it seem.

It was absolutely one of the worst trades of all time.

Prospects falling out hurt. But all those guys peak rankings on BA's top 100

Felix - 9
Salty - 18 (was 36 when traded though)
Harrison - 90
Andrus - 19

So we traded 3 guys who were or became at one point top 20 prospects. It would have been almost akin to making a trade in 2010 with Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, and Julio. Obviously the latter package held more value with 3 top 10 prospects, but just so you have a reference to how highly regarded those guys were or how talented (in the case of Feliz)

While sure some of them didn't pan out. THere are 2 ways to look at it about how screwed we got. We got 6.1 rWAR out of Tex, Texas got a combined 33.8 rWAR from the prospects we traded them, and still counting since all but Salty are still there. THe other way we got boned was we could have had all those guys for trade bait. Imagine if you would having Andrus, and being able to include Escobar to get Peavy or being able to make an offer similar to the value as to what Detroit gave up for Miggy, or any number of other potential trades we could have made instead of the Teixeria trade which was a horrible trade. Anyone who thinks it wasn't one of the worst trades ever is a fool. Set the Franchise backa few years by gutting the minors. We were lucky enough to have gotten Jason and Freddie when we did to rebuild it.

[Heyward]

It was absolutely one of the worst trades of all time.

Prospects falling out hurt. But all those guys peak rankings on BA's top 100

Felix - 9
Salty - 18 (was 36 when traded though)
Harrison - 90
Andrus - 19

So we traded 3 guys who were or became at one point top 20 prospects. It would have been almost akin to making a trade in 2010 with Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, and Julio. Obviously the latter package held more value with 3 top 10 prospects, but just so you have a reference to how highly regarded those guys were or how talented (in the case of Feliz)

While sure some of them didn't pan out. THere are 2 ways to look at it about how screwed we got. We got 6.1 rWAR out of Tex, Texas got a combined 33.8 rWAR from the prospects we traded them, and still counting since all but Salty are still there. THe other way we got boned was we could have had all those guys for trade bait. Imagine if you would having Andrus, and being able to include Escobar to get Peavy or being able to make an offer similar to the value as to what Detroit gave up for Miggy, or any number of other potential trades we could have made instead of the Teixeria trade which was a horrible trade. Anyone who thinks it wasn't one of the worst trades ever is a fool. Set the Franchise backa few years by gutting the minors. We were lucky enough to have gotten Jason and Freddie when we did to rebuild it.

[cajunrevenge]

That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.

I dont think the Rangers or Braves were winners in this trade. Salty was meh. Andrus got way over paid. Harrison got a big contract and hasnt been healthy since. Feliz never made it as a starter and then went down to TJ surgery. The real winner here were the Angels because they drafted Mike Trout with the compensation pick for Teixeira. This trade was the single best trade in Angels history and they werent even involved.