Offseason Hot Stove 2024-25 Thread

[MadduxFanII]

I'll admit that I am so utterly uninterested in stories about deals the Braves almost made that, coincidentally, happen to disprove claims that the team was budget conscious in the offseason.

[bravesfanMatt]

I'll admit that I am so utterly uninterested in stories about deals the Braves almost made that, coincidentally, happen to disprove claims that the team was budget conscious in the offseason.

same.. you don't get a pat on the back for trying and failing.

[CyYoung31]

Interesting nugget here from the AJC . . .



https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-b...KZAUC5HUMU654/

There was always a deal they were close on that never got done. Every time.

[CyYoung31]

Stroman is a 5 at this point. There’s a reason no other team wants him.

Your mom said he’s at least a 7.

[Hudson2]

Yeah close on deals means nothing. I'd rather them not even say it.

[CyYoung31]

This off-season now gets an A.

[50PoundHead]

Who had their second TJ? Sure wasnt Strider.

Strider had TJS during his collegiate career.

[Mad Dog Murph]

Strider had TJS during his collegiate career.

Which was his only one. The procedure last year was not Tommy John surgery, it was an internal brace, not the same. That’s his point

[CyYoung31]

I feel like it’s basically semantics.

[The Chosen One]

yeah, the whole "he didn't have TJS sthick" is so dumb.. He had a tear and they put a patch on the tear.. Does anyone know the data on how successful and the long term viability that brace is versus just getting the surgery? the chance of it failing or getting re-injured is the same and maybe more.. so Strider will forever be a huge injury risk after 2 elbow tears already.

If he had TJS he wouldn't even be targeted for a rehab start at end of spring training as Anthopoulos said.

He wouldn't be back until late Summer probably. The Braves and Strider are taking this gamble on the brace procedure. We'll see how it works

[zbhargrove]

yeah, the whole "he didn't have TJS sthick" is so dumb.. He had a tear and they put a patch on the tear.. Does anyone know the data on how successful and the long term viability that brace is versus just getting the surgery? the chance of it failing or getting re-injured is the same and maybe more.. so Strider will forever be a huge injury risk after 2 elbow tears already.

Internal brace surgery for pitchers has only been a thing for a couple years so not a ton of data. However, initial data does suggest slightly better results. The recovery time is also a fair amount shorter. Also Strider didn’t have a full tear this time. Was a partial tear.

[zbhargrove]

Strider had TJS during his collegiate career.

Yes but he didn’t this time…

[zbhargrove]

I feel like it’s basically semantics.

But it’s not.

[Enscheff]

I feel like it’s basically semantics.

It is. He’s had his UCL repaired twice. If it wasn’t nearly as significant the recovery time wouldn’t be over a year.

Anyone claiming there isn’t real risk he won’t come back because “it’s not a TJS” is just sticking their head in the sand.

[zbhargrove]

https://www.armoredheat.com/armored-...-vs-ucl-repair

[zbhargrove]

It is. He’s had his UCL repaired twice. If it wasn’t nearly as significant the recovery time wouldn’t be over a year.

Anyone claiming there isn’t real risk he won’t come back because “it’s not a TJS” is just sticking their head in the sand.

Who said there wasn’t any risk? Everything’s always absolutes with you. A simple google search can help you out:

“No, while both terms are often used in the context of elbow ligament injuries, "Tommy John" refers to a surgical procedure that completely reconstructs the ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) using a tendon graft, while "internal brace" describes a newer technique that repairs the native UCL with added support from a collagen-coated tape, essentially acting like an internal brace to facilitate faster healing, making it a distinct procedure with a potentially shorter recovery time; so the difference is not just semantics, but rather the surgical approach used to address the UCL injury.”

[CyYoung31]

Who said there wasn’t any risk? Everything’s always absolutes with you. A simple google search can help you out:

“No, while both terms are often used in the context of elbow ligament injuries, "Tommy John" refers to a surgical procedure that completely reconstructs the ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) using a tendon graft, while "internal brace" describes a newer technique that repairs the native UCL with added support from a collagen-coated tape, essentially acting like an internal brace to facilitate faster healing, making it a distinct procedure with a potentially shorter recovery time; so the difference is not just semantics, but rather the surgical approach used to address the UCL injury.”

Correcting people saying it’s not actually TJS because it’s a different procedure where the objective is essentially the same thing is a means to insinuate that the risk isn’t the same as it would be with regular TJS. At this point, it’s unclear whether this surgery provides a better prognosis than a 2nd TJS. Ergo, anyone doing this is essentially arguing that there is no reason, or at least much less reason, for concern regarding Strider’s outlook.

[bravesfanMatt]

As others have said, the only people arguing semantics are the ones saying he didn’t have a second tjs. Yes everyone knows the brace reduced ‘out’ time. Yes everyone knows it wasn’t a full tear … although a partial tear is the same basically to a pitcher.

Strider just had his second major arm injury and is now a huge risk the rest of his career. His arm is now repaired twice and structurally altered and no one knows if and when it will blow again. Exactly the same as if he had the full TJS this time around.

[Mad Dog Murph]

I’m not a doctor but I did stay at a holiday inn express. Actually I get my medical info from my brothe-in-law who is an orthopedic surgeon in Charlotte. And a terrible golfer. The procedures are not the same. The only concern is how new the procedure is compressed to TJS. But, results have been encouraging from recovery time to the fact it’s a lot less invasive.

As with any medical procedure there are never any guarantees

[Enscheff]

Correcting people saying it’s not actually TJS because it’s a different procedure where the objective is essentially the same thing is a means to insinuate that the risk isn’t the same as it would be with regular TJS. At this point, it’s unclear whether this surgery provides a better prognosis than a 2nd TJS. Ergo, anyone doing this is essentially arguing that there is no reason, or at least much less reason, for concern regarding Strider’s outlook.

Yes, this. The only reason to point out it’s different to imply it’s not as significant.

Dude had his elbow repaired twice. Period. It’s a problem. Period.