Offseason Hot Stove 2024-25 Thread

[CrimsonCowboy]

[Tapate50]

Wow, I’m sure they do. They are doa without cole

[CrimsonCowboy]

I’d be surprised if Cole left the Yankees. But Cole instantly becomes the top pitcher in the free agent market. I know he grew up a Yankees fan, but a SoCal guy who went to UCLA, could make him appealing for the Dodgers, unfortunately.

[msstate7]

Maybe the jays will trade bichette to us for more international money.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Another opt-out

[CrimsonCowboy]

[Hudson2]

The Cole opt out could hurt Fried bc that knocks him down to the 3rd best SP available now. The Yanks could make a play for Fried now. I don’t see Cole getting more than he opted out of.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Scratch Cody Bellinger

[CrimsonCowboy]

[CrimsonCowboy]

Joc Pederson has declined his mutual option with Arizona.

[50PoundHead]

Joc Pederson has declined his mutual option with Arizona.

I get the other ones, but does Joc think he's going to make more than $14 MM in 2025? He may want a longer contract and two years at slightly less AAV is more than 1/$14 MM. No question he had a solid 2024, but I'm curious about his market.

[msstate7]

Need him

[Chico]

I get the other ones, but does Joc think he's going to make more than $14 MM in 2025? He may want a longer contract and two years at slightly less AAV is more than 1/$14 MM. No question he had a solid 2024, but I'm curious about his market.

He got a $3M buyout so he’s only gotta get $12M to be ahead

[Nerfherders]

He might get it. Almost every team needs a strong-side platoon OF.

[Carp]

Joc had a pretty terrific 3 year run on offense. I think 2/25 with a 3rd year option is the baseline of what he's looking for.

Also, I am not so sure why Cole would immediately be the top arm on the market. He had a considerable "down season" at age 33 and missed half the season due to injury. Would teams really prefer him over Fried and Burnes? I sure wouldn't if the money was equal.

[zitothebrave]

Joc had a pretty terrific 3 year run on offense. I think 2/25 with a 3rd year option is the baseline of what he's looking for.

Also, I am not so sure why Cole would immediately be the top arm on the market. He had a considerable "down season" at age 33 and missed half the season due to injury. Would teams really prefer him over Fried and Burnes? I sure wouldn't if the money was equal.

Anyone who takes Fried over COle is a moron. Fried isn't that much younger (about 3 and a half years younger) Cole has 5 season of 5+ fWAR to Fried's 0. Cole has a 2.77 ERA in the post season for Fried's 5.10. Cole has thrown 200 innings 6 times. Fried 0.

You could argue Cole isn't worth a 5/180 contract (basically what the yankees would be giving him) but to say he's not worth more than Fried is ****ing hysterical.

Burnes will likely be the number 1 starter because he's won a Cy YOung and his highs are so high, that you can see it go interesting. But I think most teams still take Cole because he's the most recent Cy Yougn winner. He was down last year but he also was hurt, you can gamble on him coming back healthy. Hell look at his numbers in August and September. He had a 2.25 ERA and 2.62 FIP. Even in the post season, he had a 3.13 FIP. I won't count ERA because he had an ungodly amount of unearned runs.

[Hudson2]

Chris Sale just won a gold glove.

[Carp]

3.5 years younger is pretty significant. And while Cole has had a better career, what's more important is likely future performance, which is where age is important.

Also, over the last 4 years, Fried's 16.3 bWAR is only slightly behind Coles 17.7 (and Cole has 83 more IPs). The quality of Frieds innings have actually been slightly better over this time frame.

[zitothebrave]

3.5 years younger is pretty significant. And while Cole has had a better career, what's more important is likely future performance, which is where age is important.

Also, over the last 4 years, Fried's 16.3 bWAR is only slightly behind Coles 17.7 (and Cole has 83 more IPs). The quality of Frieds innings have actually been slightly better over this time frame.

Any particular reason you stopped at 4 years not 5 years? How about 6 years ago?

Fried throws less innings than Cole even with Cole having some injury sisues. That's not a selling point for fried. Max "can't pitch into the 7th inning" Fried isn't a selling point. If that was a massive selling point, Blake Snell despite getting a Cy Young couldn't sign a massive contract, and Max Fried is no Blake Snell

[Heyward]

Any particular reason you stopped at 4 years not 5 years? How about 6 years ago?

Fried throws less innings than Cole even with Cole having some injury sisues. That's not a selling point for fried. Max "can't pitch into the 7th inning" Fried isn't a selling point. If that was a massive selling point, Blake Snell despite getting a Cy Young couldn't sign a massive contract, and Max Fried is no Blake Snell

Yeah, Cole clears Fried by a good bit. Other than Game 6 of the WS where Fried was incredible, legendary game that may get his jersey retired in Atlanta. He's been quite underwhelming in the postseason. There's a reason the Yankees signed Cole quickly.