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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Not everyone thought it was a terrible move. What are you talking about? A lot felt Harang was probably a better option.
    This move doesn't have even have the potential to be "terrible." It involves two older guys signed for depth. Harang is throwing harder and not relying on junk, so I personally prefer him. If they went with Freddy that'd have been OK with me too. It's just not a big deal.
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    All questioned the move of how Harang was an improvement over Garcia. But when I question it I get called out about it. Whatever. Screw it!

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    Harang is garbage, no way around it. So what he throws harder? Jamie Moyer was getting hitters out throwing 86 at age 40, while John Smoltz was getting bombed throwing 93 the last year of his career. Who would you take then? John Burkett got hitters out throwing 87 while Van Poppel got bombed throwing 97. Who'd you take? One is smart to overcome stuff deficiencies, the other is a plain did that doesn't know how to use it.

    I agree Freddy's probably done, but he is also smart enough and crafty enough to get hitters out throwing junk and locating at this stage of his career and eating innings, while Harangs wick is already lite warming up in the pen.

    In fact, Harang, despite his stuff, has relatively underperformed and been a terrible pitcher.

    No matter which way your looking at it, Harang in no shape or form is any type of upgrade over Garcia unless its a radar contest, and that is irrelevant.

    There is no upside to Harang. He's a piece of trash plain and simple.

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    Whether a player is terrible or not, I think calling anyone a piece of trash, garbage, etc is just plain immature and just wrong. I hate when people say that about players based on their ability.

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    Your right...I should word it better.

    Harang is humanitarian of the year for struggling hitters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TURBO View Post
    Whether a player is terrible or not, I think calling anyone a piece of trash, garbage, etc is just plain immature and just wrong. I hate when people say that about players based on their ability.
    I think the case could be made for Dan Kolb and Mark Redman.
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    I wouldn't compare Freddy Garcia to Jaime Moyer. Moyer had a plus pitch, his changeup. Garcia doesn't have that. Freddy when he lost a few ticks off his fastball lost all his value. Freddy hasn't pitched well in ages, Since he last left the White Sox he had maybe one season where he was good and semi-healthy.So basically 6 out of his last 7 years he's been hurt or flat out sucked or both.

    Odds are, that trend continues.

    Harang has been better over that same time frame.

    Again,neither are a big improvement over the other. Harang has been slightly better lately. Both suck if they're reliant on.
    AJ does all the other things just as well if not better than Mac - zbhargrove

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    I just looked up garbage in the dictionary and there was a pic of Shane Reynolds there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
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    All questioned the move of how Harang was an improvement over Garcia. But when I question it I get called out about it. Whatever. Screw it!
    You forgot Rico who even said that he wouldn't go the Braves home opener due to Harang starting it. Seriously, you are right that a lot of us don't like Harang or the move. However, I think you rub some folks the wrong way making yourself out to be an expert (you've even called yourself such on here before) along with questioning others for doing the same things you're guilty of doing at times.

    That said, I am not saying the above to pile on or take a shot at you. I'm just saying this is my own observation. I really could care less how much you bash Harang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    You forgot Rico who even said that he wouldn't go the Braves home opener due to Harang starting it. Seriously, you are right that a lot of us don't like Harang or the move. However, I think you rub some folks the wrong way making yourself out to be an expert (you've even called yourself such on here before) along with questioning others for doing the same things you're guilty of doing at times.

    That said, I am not saying the above to pile on or take a shot at you. I'm just saying this is my own observation. I really could care less how much you bash Harang.
    I never called myself an expert. I know I don't know everything there is to know about the Braves. I have even admitted that Millwood1hitter, Rico and a couple others know more about the Braves than I do. I have even admitted to being wrong about some of the things I have said about the Braves.

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    I only wish Freddy Garcia would've pitched the home opener. He would've likely gotten a standing ovation for game 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by TURBO View Post
    Whether a player is terrible or not, I think calling anyone a piece of trash, garbage, etc is just plain immature and just wrong. I hate when people say that about players based on their ability.
    And the same goes for coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    And the same goes for coaches.
    What is amazing is that everyone is getting their panties all in a wad over a guy who at most is going to make 3 to 4 starts at the most for you. After that, if he sucks you can release him.

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    Harang or Garcia no difference other than the $1mil bonus Garcia would have gotten to make the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama007 View Post
    Harang or Garcia no difference other than the $1mil bonus Garcia would have gotten to make the roster.
    The pertinent point. $1 million won't break Liberty's bank, but why spend it at all for a marginal difference in performance. We're likely going to see on-going plug-and-play guys in the rotation until everyone is healthy.

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    What I personally find funny - and maybe it's just me - is that people are seriously debating (and getting torn up about) Aaron Harang vs. Freddy Garcia.

    Really???

    I mean, why not Jordan Schafer over Aaron Cunningham...or maybe oaks vs. maples...sand vs. dirt...day vs. night???



    It's simply a veteran to make 3-4 starts so you don't have to start someone's clock prematurely for that specific purpose.
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    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Starting pitching has a bigger effect than 4of?

    Schafer can go 3 4 days without games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
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    All questioned the move of how Harang was an improvement over Garcia. But when I question it I get called out about it. Whatever. Screw it!
    Ok...that's not everyone. I didn't say everyone adored the move. Some questioned, fine. Not many are throwing tantrums over it. It's not that big of a move. It's not worth getting upset over. It changes little in the long run.

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