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    Contraception

    Wondering if board participants fall along predictable lines. The coalition of the religious and business community lined up against everyday people

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5027527.html

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    I agree with this point from twitter
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    Just to be sure, @HobbyLobbyStore: Your god is cool with you buying stuff from China and helping fund forced abortions?
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    Last edited by 57Brave; 03-25-2014 at 01:32 PM.

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    Of course there are different points of view. Link.

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    Of course there is a different point of view, it is a Supreme Court case.

    Why not just call it knee jerk persecuted christians vs the 21st century?
    Problem is, one Justice already has let the cat publicly out of the bag and said the case is about abortion. Or Gay Rights or "girls just wanna have fun" .............. or something.


    "abortifacients" ------------------- really?

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    I try, but it always proves futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    I try, but it always proves futile.
    What did you expect? You are talking to a Dummicrat which has as much sense as a rock.

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    Not quite sure how you tried??

    You injected the word "abortifacients" to a conversation.
    When did that even become a part of our vocabulary.
    How does "your shirts" get to throw around such loaded terms?
    let alone lay these implications on people that have had this right for years then expect to use is as the basis for a negotiation.
    The term implies an everyday woman uses contraception to knowingly kill a human.
    Let's not let the details of how it is still up in the air when that fetus does become a human or let alone the details of white men imposing their terms of choice on women . As the chart shows, overwhelming numbers of women voters are not at all in favor of the Hobby Lobby Inquisition.
    Honestly -- I do get it.


    Wow, that takes stones.
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    Now, on to the topic.
    There is a lot of talk of slippery slopes on this board. Government interferes in HC or unions interfere with businesss blah blah blah.

    How's bouts the slippery slopes that tag along should this suit go in Hobby Lobby's favor.
    Suppose a company doesn't like the way a woman dress'. Can they deny her her rights? Whixh rights?
    Suppose Islamics demand in the name of religion we all stop to pray to Allah x-number times a day and all business stops.

    Suppose a company doesn't wish the serve black people based on their color (AA -you listening?) -- my readings tells me this give business unrestricted rights to deny anyone anything, Based on what?
    Religion?
    Does the Constitution allow you to impose your religion on me? Or the hypothetical Islamists to shut down economy? Or will we just seperate into 2 camps. The "abortifacients" vs those of us that assumed we were past the Salem Witch Hunts
    Last edited by 57Brave; 03-26-2014 at 07:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    What did you expect? You are talking to a Dummicrat which has as much sense as a rock.

    Where do you get off referring those you disagree with as "Dummicrats" ?????
    That is the way you have respectful conversations - in fist shaker land?

    Yeah, y'all try.
    My ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Where do you get off referring those you disagree with as "Dummicrats" ?????
    That is the way you have respectful conversations - in fist shaker land?

    Yeah, y'all try.
    My ass
    Aren't you a Democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Not quite sure how you tried??



    Suppose a company doesn't wish the serve black people based on their color (AA -you listening?) -- my readings tells me this give business unrestricted rights to deny anyone anything, Based on what?
    Religion?
    Does the Constitution allow you to impose your religion on me? Or the hypothetical Islamists to shut down economy? Or will we just seperate into 2 camps. The "abortifacients" vs those of us that assumed we were past the Salem Witch Hunts
    I could give two schits if they don't serve me. It has been done in a round about way more than once to me. If they don't want my business I go elsewhere. I am not a pussy and cry to media that I was not served and make a national spectacle out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    I could give two schits if they don't serve me. It has been done in a round about way more than once to me. If they don't want my business I go elsewhere. I am not a pussy and cry to media that I was not served and make a national spectacle out of it.
    Because people before you struggled for your right to have that choice. Wasn't always the case.

    In fact in my lifetime it hasn't always been the case
    Last edited by 57Brave; 03-26-2014 at 07:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Because people before you struggled for your right to have that choice. Wasn't always the case.

    In fact in my lifetime it hasn't always been the case
    Yes, the Republican Party, the Dems did not want to give us that choice.

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    57 - do you think men's health premiums should subsidize women's contraceptives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    57 - do you think men's health premiums should subsidize women's contraceptives?
    57 says we should have single payer so it wouldn't be an issue.

    I thought you guys knew this by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    Yes, the Republican Party, the Dems did not want to give us that choice.
    The parties have switched ideologies -- that Southern Stratagy thingy proposed by Roger Ailes and Kevin Phillips.
    I'm sure you've never heard the story of LBJ saying (D) gave up the south the day he signed Civil Rights.

    That is the same Roger Ailes that runs herd over Fox News. I'm sure you knew that too

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    57 - do you think men's health premiums should subsidize women's contraceptives?
    Do you know what all contraceptives for a woman's body?
    With that knowledge, yes, i have no problem helping support contraception for women. Until of course a better system is in place

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    57 - do you think men's health premiums should subsidize women's contraceptives?
    Should healthy people's premiums subsidize unhealthy people's premiums?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Should healthy people's premiums subsidize unhealthy people's premiums?
    No.

    In other words - I shouldn't be penalized for being healthy to subsidize the obese smoker.

    I shouldn't be penalized in my health premiums because I'm a man. I don't need as much health care as women do. Why should I be paying for it?

    I shouldn't need to subsidize contraception. If a woman wants to have sex - fine. Let her pay for it.

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    You then do not support the basic premise of insurance ?

    Straight up question --

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