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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    Jason in the post season :

    9 games
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    16 Ks
    .154 BA
    .431 OPS
    1 BB
    0 SBs
    Oh man what a bum. We should cut him. We could bring in Pat Burrell he's really clutch in the post season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    What the hell are you even talking about? Heyward's worst season (ignoring this year's tiny sample) he his .227/.319/.389 in a pitching heavy era. With the Braves Francoeur (ignoring his small sample rookie season) Francoeur bested those numbers when adjusted to era and accounting for the importance of on base percentage, Francoeur topped Heyward's worst season once. His super lucky .337 BABIP season. And ignoring Failcouer's fluketacular rookie season, he never (including his time with the Royals) came close to Jason's second worst season offensively. Francoeur hit really ****ty for a full season and a half before we canned him. I'm assuming your "hitting circles around" comment pertains with Jason's season this year. Which is only about 1/7 through.

    Maybe you should take a chill pill and use your head.
    He won't

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    Braves104life will hate Heyward till the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    What the hell are you even talking about? Heyward's worst season (ignoring this year's tiny sample) he his .227/.319/.389 in a pitching heavy era. With the Braves Francoeur (ignoring his small sample rookie season) Francoeur bested those numbers when adjusted to era and accounting for the importance of on base percentage, Francoeur topped Heyward's worst season once. His super lucky .337 BABIP season. And ignoring Failcouer's fluketacular rookie season, he never (including his time with the Royals) came close to Jason's second worst season offensively. Francoeur hit really ****ty for a full season and a half before we canned him. I'm assuming your "hitting circles around" comment pertains with Jason's season this year. Which is only about 1/7 through.

    Maybe you should take a chill pill and use your head.
    A pitching heavy era? What are you thinking up your own logic now? How is the pitching different now from back then? With the exception of flame throwers in the BP.

    How many 100 RBI seasons has Heyward had ?

    How many times has Heyward played a full 162?

    How many times has Heyward hit over 30 doubles in a season?

    Understood Failcouer didn't pan out, but Heyward isn't exactly lighting up any franchise records his first 4 seasons with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkvadawg View Post
    Braves104life will hate Heyward till the end
    Hate Heyward ? I don't hate Heyward at all. I'm just not slobbing his knob like some of you on here. You people get so ass hurt when someone has a debate about your precious Heyward.

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    Francoeur is a really low, low, low, low, low bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Francoeur is a really low, low, low, low, low bar.
    Who's Francoeur ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    A pitching heavy era? What are you thinking up your own logic now? How is the pitching different now from back then? With the exception of flame throwers in the BP.

    How many 100 RBI seasons has Heyward had ?

    How many times has Heyward played a full 162?

    How many times has Heyward hit over 30 doubles in a season?

    Understood Failcouer didn't pan out, but Heyward isn't exactly lighting up any franchise records his first 4 seasons with the bat.
    There's this thing we have called stats. We can tell that hitters across the board are hitting less than they did 5 years ago. It's happened a lot in baseball. Bullpens are better, the starting pitching is better, and other factors may apply as well. You can choose to ignore facts, you're allowed to, doesn't mean that they don't exist for those who choose to actually you know, use them.

    RBI's are a worth less stat, most players don't play 162, 30 doubles is arbitrary and I guess the year he hit 30 doubles and 27 homers while swiping 20 bases, driving in 80 and scoring 90, he's just the ****ing worst. lulz

    Heyward isn't setting records, but so what, does everyone have to set records? Can't a guy be special without setting records? Was Hudson not awesome cause he didn't set records for us? What the **** kind of logic is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    Hate Heyward ? I don't hate Heyward at all. I'm just not slobbing his knob like some of you on here. You people get so ass hurt when someone has a debate about your precious Heyward.
    It's not a debate if you're spreading lies as facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    Lmao!! Spreading lies as facts? Ziti, were you touched as a child? Every stat I put about Heyward and Failcouer is exactly that, a factual stat. Dude, you need counseling.
    Stats that don't paint a clear picture. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    Lmao!! Spreading lies as facts? Ziti, were you touched as a child? Every stat I put about Heyward and Failcouer is exactly that, a factual stat. Dude, you need counseling.
    No it's not. You haven't pulled anything of any substance yet. Your post in this thread about "stats" have said that Francoeur has hit circles around Heyward, Heyward's post season stats, and did he reach some arbitrary standards that you've decided are key to being a good hitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    No it's not. You haven't pulled anything of any substance yet. Your post in this thread about "stats" have said that Francoeur has hit circles around Heyward, Heyward's post season stats, and did he reach some arbitrary standards that you've decided are key to being a good hitter.
    First off, I apologize for the being touched and needing counseling, that was distasteful and unnecessary.

    Second off, you do not need me to post stats concerning Franceour when I know you have seen them.

    But you act like you have pure facts about the games evolution of pitching since 2005 without posting a thing. As if you went through all the position players' stats since 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    Who's Francoeur ?
    That was aimed more at zito. Heyward is a better player than Francoeur. I'm just saying that's a lousy comparison if you're trying to tout a guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    That was aimed more at zito. Heyward is a better player than Francoeur. I'm just saying that's a lousy comparison if you're trying to tout a guy.
    I'm jk.

    Yea I agree. I wasn't saying or implying that Heyward would never be considered a major leaguer if he doesn't put up #s similar to Framceour's good days. I was just implying that I think Franceour was STATISTICALLY hitting better than Heyward when he got canned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    I'm jk.

    Yea I agree. I wasn't saying or implying that Heyward would never be considered a major leaguer if he doesn't put up #s similar to Framceour's good days. I was just implying that I think Franceour was STATISTICALLY hitting better than Heyward when he got canned.
    You mean Heyward now? Maybe. But it's also only been a month for him, while it was basically two years for Francouer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    You mean Heyward now? Maybe. But it's also only been a month for him, while it was basically two years for Francouer.
    I understand that.

    Franceour hit .239 in 08' and was hitting about .250 when he got traded.

    Heyward has most certainly shown glimpses as being a hitter you can't get out, but has never translated that on the field consistently. I never said to cut him or bench him, he's obviously our best option at the moment. I just mentioned to not forget this come contract time.

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    Francoeur never walked. Heyward still gets walks.

    Batting average means nothing comparing the two because Francoeur's value was simply singles and homers. Plus Francouer's range in the outfield is nothing like Heyward's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsebe10 View Post
    First off, I apologize for the being touched and needing counseling, that was distasteful and unnecessary.

    Second off, you do not need me to post stats concerning Franceour when I know you have seen them.

    But you act like you have pure facts about the games evolution of pitching since 2005 without posting a thing. As if you went through all the position players' stats since 2005.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml

    In 2009 there was 4.61 RPG in 2010 there was 4.38 and that number continued to drop. Baseball as a hitting environment is totally changed, anyone paying attention to the league would know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml

    In 2009 there was 4.61 RPG in 2010 there was 4.38 and that number continued to drop. Baseball as a hitting environment is totally changed, anyone paying attention to the league would know it.
    Sooooooo. It's gone from 4.6 in 09' to 4.2 in 13'? How significant is that really?

    Ok. Pitching has gotten slightly better since 2009, and Tommy Johns has gone up too.

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