Will the real Jason Heyward please stand up?

[Modok]

Huh?
You have no idea what happened this off-season. The two sides talked long-term extension. It is completely possible they offered Heyward that kind of deal and he felt he could get more on the open market in a few years. You've provided zero evidence that Wren didn't offer him something close to what Hawk suggested.

And it is completely possible they didnt.

[yeezus]

And it is completely possible they didnt.

Of course it is.
But that fact that you said Wren and Co. didn't feel the same way Hawk did (in regards to the 5-years 15-18 mil/year) is by no means a fact, and you treated it as such. My point is you don't know, so don't make concrete statements about it.

[jsebe10]

They offered Heyward a long-term deal a few years ago, he rejected.

And yes, he could of very well turned down a deal in the 15-17 mil range.

Not worth that much at the moment. Few more years could say otherwise.

[Heyward]

Not worth that much at the moment. Few more years could say otherwise.

He'd get 15+ on the open market.

Maybe not worth much IYO.

[Modok]

Of course it is.
But that fact that you said Wren and Co. didn't feel the same way Hawk did (in regards to the 5-years 15-18 mil/year) is by no means a fact, and you treated it as such. My point is you don't know, so don't make concrete statements about it.

I treated my opinion as fact?

Dude, go troll someone else.

[jsebe10]

He'd get 15+ on the open market.

Maybe not worth much IYO.

Lol please.

[The Chosen One]

Lol please.

lol have you seen this market? Especially with new TV deals?

10 years ago a pitcher like Ervin Santana would've gotten a 7-8 million deal, today's market he got 14.

[parkvadawg]

Lol please.

He would get that easily

[yeezus]

I treated my opinion as fact?

Dude, go troll someone else.

Do you consider every disagreement/pointing out of fallacies as "trolling"?
You said "good thing they don't feel the same way."
That's not true. You don't know if they felt the same way or not. I'm not "trolling." I'm pointing out a very obvious fact.

[Hawk]

Lol please.

Curtis Granderson got $15MM from the Mets.

[jsebe10]

lol have you seen this market? Especially with new TV deals?

10 years ago a pitcher like Ervin Santana would've gotten a 7-8 million deal, today's market he got 14.

Yea I could see that.

[jsebe10]

Curtis Granderson got $15MM from the Mets.

Good point.

My boys will be playing baseball. Lol

[The Chosen One]

Tone down the personal attacks everyone please.

Current discussion is Heyward's value, his potential contract money, etc.

Do not get into personal insults please.

[yeezus]

There is a little doubt a player of Heyward's caliber and projection would get that much money. Teams would love to gamble on him, and at worst he's an elite defender.

[Heyward]

Lol please.

For the best defensive RF'er in the game, at only 24 years old, yes.

Granderson got 4/50 or 4/60.

With the increased revenue, he'd easily get 15 mil a year even though you may disagree.

No question he gets that.

[jsebe10]

Jason Bay got a similar abortion of a contract too right?

[yeezus]

Jason Bay got a similar abortion of a contract too right?

His was worse than 15 mil, I think it was 17-18.

[Hawk]

His was worse than 15 mil, I think it was 17-18.

That was some of that Omar Minaya madness.

[Heyward]

Jason Bay got a similar abortion of a contract too right?

He got 4/66 mil, i think.

[jsebe10]

That was some of that Omar Minaya madness.

A couple of his guys got hurt waaayyyy to often in Beltran and Santana.